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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    That's the way deregulation and markets are supposed to work. That's also why we have cell phones. When the government broke up Ma Bell's monopoly and put telephone communication out in the market, at first there was chaos. Eventually order came as well as innovation and today we have smart phones and everyone carries them around in their pocket. That will come to an end with so called net neutrality.

    Cruz says that land lines are regulated by the government under title 2, what ever that is. Net neutrality wants to put cell phones under title 2, treating them like a utility, taxing them and regulating them. They make noise that it's about competition between ISP's and quality of service but those issues should be left to the market. The market took care of AOL and likewise, in an unregulated market, the best competitors win in the end.
    I think you hit the key in the part I bolded.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    However, in Netflix's case. It uses 1 GB/Hr. Remember Cell Phone plans start at only 2GBs for data not including promotions. Family plans start at 10 or maybe 20 depending on your carrier. So you can't watch much Netflix on Phone's service. Got it? Good. Now, most ISPs have monthly data caps at around, 350 GB. That's a lot!!!! Before all of this streaming stuff. No one hit the data caps, though they did exist. You couldn't reach it! It was impossible even with illegal downloads. Now however, lets say you watch Netflix 8 hours a day for 30 days. You would use up 240 GB of data!!!! That's nearly 70% of all your data, for ONE device! If you have a family, or younger kids, or teenagers at home. You can easily break the barrier. Verizon sends out notifications when you reach your limit at 75% and 90% levels. Then they start to slow down your internet until the next cycle.
    Again, this is not discriminating against data.

    If you paid for a 350 GB cap then whatever I choose to do to use up that 350 GP cap should happen at my paid speed except in instances of legitimate network congestion issues. if I get to 240 GB's, nearly 70% of my data cap, my speeds on something like Netflix or Hulu should remain exactly the same as it did at 40 GBs. If you break the barrier then yes, throttle my speeds or even cut it off (since it's a cap).

    But while I still have data available in my cap I should maintain the same speeds whether I'm watching Hulu or Netflix, playing Xbox live, downloading large pieces of data, or any other legal activity unless there's a legitimate network congestion issue that requires those speeds to be slowed down as the only means of alleviating the congestion.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Again, this is not discriminating against data.

    If you paid for a 350 GB cap then whatever I choose to do to use up that 350 GP cap should happen at my paid speed except in instances of legitimate network congestion issues. if I get to 240 GB's, nearly 70% of my data cap, my speeds on something like Netflix or Hulu should remain exactly the same as it did at 40 GBs. If you break the barrier then yes, throttle my speeds or even cut it off (since it's a cap).

    But while I still have data available in my cap I should maintain the same speeds whether I'm watching Hulu or Netflix, playing Xbox live, downloading large pieces of data, or any other legal activity unless there's a legitimate network congestion issue that requires those speeds to be slowed down as the only means of alleviating the congestion.
    It has not been proven to me, that the ISPs currently do this. I need to see proof that ISPs have throttled data in that case. As far as my research goes, they only do this after you hit data caps.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    It has not been proven to me, that the ISPs currently do this. I need to see proof that ISPs have throttled data in that case. As far as my research goes, they only do this after you hit data caps.
    This is my understanding as well. But, it is also my understanding that these caps are nebulous, at best. Throttling is fine, but not if the plan is "unlimited". If the plan is advertised as "unlimited", then it should be unlimited. If there is a cap, that's fine too, just say so and say where the cap is.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Looking at the poll, this seems to be a political issue....why?

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is my understanding as well. But, it is also my understanding that these caps are nebulous, at best. Throttling is fine, but not if the plan is "unlimited". If the plan is advertised as "unlimited", then it should be unlimited. If there is a cap, that's fine too, just say so and say where the cap is.
    Should they have to? Why would they need to educate an unsuspecting public? Usually the people that use the internet other than surfing will know about data caps due to their own research and their own internet usage. The majority public does not even know how to do this or what a data cap is. I'm sure if you look in the fine print it's there. But I agree, somewhere other than the fine print there should be a nice message stating you only have 350 GB so use wisely or something like that. They can word it nicely so its not mean.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Looking at the poll, this seems to be a political issue....why?
    Because it has the potential to be one?
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Because it has the potential to be one?
    When the President talks about it and other politicians isn't it already? Major news networks don't understand it, so I haven't heard them covering it. But in the internet world it's all over the place. This is why I believe it to be the largest secondary political topic. When the major networks begin to talk about it, then it will be a first rate one.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Because it has the potential to be one?
    agreed.....the 'fix' will definitely be political....even if it didn't need to be.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Should they have to? Why would they need to educate an unsuspecting public? Usually the people that use the internet other than surfing will know about data caps due to their own research and their own internet usage. The majority public does not even know how to do this or what a data cap is. I'm sure if you look in the fine print it's there. But I agree, somewhere other than the fine print there should be a nice message stating you only have 350 GB so use wisely or something like that. They can word it nicely so its not mean.
    I do not believe they should have to provide unlimited bandwidth if they don't want to, but yes, they should have to tell the truth, whatever that may be. Saying that "those who know know better" is weak. Telling companies to not use words like "unlimited" when that is a lie is not an unreasonable expectation.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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