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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by recalcitrant View Post
    Being against government mandated net neutrality makes you conservative? Damn. Harsh.


    And there you have it, net neutrality advocates are actually supporting the corporations they're so afraid of. Business loses it's legitimacy to be treated as a private business when it relies on city governments to acquire infrastructure monopolies.

    I really don't care if illegitimate infrastructure is "seized" by the same government who have protected the previous monopoly in the first place. But, that is not what shared infrastructure is. It's not a new concept. It's not unprecedented government control, it's happened, even in the United States. What's more is that it requires no mandate to service providers to regulate the internet. Even better is that aside from investment, no service provider would be denied the ability to offer an alternative service and offer open access as a benefit to their customers and not as some silly mandate. Just saying shared infrastructure is what all of you net neutrality people should be asking for if you people actually cared about how the problems came to be in the first place. But none of that is important, isn't it. You want data equality over open infrastructure, which would provide open access("data equality"), innovate how data is brought to us, and provide better customer service. No, screw all that. You don't want competition. You just want your slow cable internet to play netflix movies in HD.

    Making internet a public utility doesn't make it shared infrastructure or break up any of the infrastructure monopolies that have slowed down innovation and brought us crappy customer service.
    I think you must be mixing me up with someone else. At no time did I say I would be opposed to your solution, I just think it's crazy that you somehow see that as less government intervention that a document that says to treat data equally.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    I would if it was worked out properly and not just a government revenue machine.
    Open the door just a little for the government and in the not so distant future........well, you get where I'm going.
    I know, I know, the government would never do something like that.

    I feel the government can be part of the solution......not the solution.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You moved cities to change internet providers? And yet you're vehemently against net neutrality?

    Something is very fishy here.
    I have not had any throttling issues with Verizon's top tiers. I pay more for the faster options. Comcast is one speed mostly in many major apartment complexes in Boston. I routinely host websites, and file share and stream netflix no issues. I had no issues on Comcast either, but the speed was too slow for my needs. In this case, I moved for the speed. Not for any policy or business practices they either support or don't.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by recalcitrant View Post
    Being against government mandated net neutrality makes you conservative? Damn. Harsh.


    And there you have it, net neutrality advocates are actually supporting the corporations they're so afraid of. Business loses it's legitimacy to be treated as a private business when it relies on city governments to acquire infrastructure monopolies.

    I really don't care if illegitimate infrastructure is "seized" by the same government who have protected the previous monopoly in the first place. But, that is not what shared infrastructure is. It's not a new concept. It's not unprecedented government control, it's happened, even in the United States. What's more is that it requires no mandate to service providers to regulate the internet. Even better is that aside from investment, no service provider would be denied the ability to offer an alternative service and offer open access as a benefit to their customers and not as some silly mandate. Just saying shared infrastructure is what all of you net neutrality people should be asking for if you people actually cared about how the problems came to be in the first place. But none of that is important, isn't it. You want data equality over open infrastructure, which would provide open access("data equality"), innovate how data is brought to us, and provide better customer service. No, screw all that. You don't want competition. You just want your slow cable internet to play netflix movies in HD.

    Making internet a public utility doesn't make it shared infrastructure or break up any of the infrastructure monopolies that have slowed down innovation and brought us crappy customer service.
    Well said, It will probably work like it currently does in Europe or Canada. Where they monitor internet traffic. (which I am against) See if ISPs are throttling, then fine them for doing so. In no way, will they be able to break up monopolies with new laws in place. They don't do that today. AT&T and DirecTV are currently in merger talks because AT&T wants to acquire DirecTV bandwidth. This deal is going through and all major aspects of it has mostly already been approved.

    Note: These same advocates are the same people who were SOOOO against PIPA, SOPA, and went crazy with the NSA scandal. They also are up in arms about the most basic forms of government intrusion in their own personal lives especially surrounding technology. All the while they advocate for more laws! As soon as I think I've seen everything there is to see in the world of political hypocrisy. It throws me a new one!
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    I'm ok with internet providers charging more for faster speeds, overall. That's fine. But, charging to access certain sites that don't pay what is essentially an extortion fee is out of line.

    If I could pass a law, though, it would be for absolute truth in marketing. For example, the use of the word "unlimited" would be forbidden unless bandwidth usage were truly unlimited and could never be artificially throttled for any reason. They could still throttle, they'd just have to be upfront about when and why.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Necessity is the mother of invention'.

    One would only abandon a local ISP if it became unusable or unaffordable to do otherwise. Were companies/corporations to create this situation, they would eventually go bankrupt.

    So I think it extremely unlikely the above scenario would come to pass. I think it more likely that, in the long run, freedom from forced net neutrality would make the Internet less expensive for the masses, not more so.
    This is what I meant in my original statement.

    The government meddles in almost every thing FAR too much...this is another example of that, imo.

    Let the free market decide how the Internet should be run.
    Long drawn out non-answer for a simple yes or no question followed by "praise be the almighty free market". So in other words you do not have an alternative should you drop your ISP.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The government is nothing if not creative. I cannot say "X" will happen, but let's not forget that seemingly simple concepts like civil asset forfeiture were sold to us as being simply a tool for law enforcement to deprive drug cartels of their ill-gotten gains, and we can see where that has evolved. And that's only one example.

    Like the other poster said, I support the sentiment, but I fear what the government will do with it.
    The name "civil" in regard to asset forfeiture is a huge indicator that this is it is a bad thing. As much as you been posting in the law enforcement section you should know that the standards for civil cases are less than the standards for criminal cases.In a civil case the standards of more likely than not, while in a criminal case the standard is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Sounds great. But when was the last time the government said, "Don't abuse 'x'", and left it at that?
    That's always a possibility. If left to their own devices though cable internet providers will wield a ridiculous amount of power since they are monopolies. They will use that monopoly power to charge both users for access to the internet and hold that medium of delivery hostage to get non-value added revenue from content providers.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's always a possibility. If left to their own devices though cable internet providers will wield a ridiculous amount of power since they are monopolies. They will use that monopoly power to charge both users for access to the internet and hold that medium of delivery hostage to get non-value added revenue from content providers.
    So should banks not be able to charge for late charges/fees/interest rates? If the user uses a substantial amount of bandwidth they should be charged more. Therefore, since Netflix uses the MOST amount of bandwidth than any other site, besides a select few. They should get charged more. If it works on the consumer end then it should work on the business end too!
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    So should banks not be able to charge for late charges/fees/interest rates? If the user uses a substantial amount of bandwidth they should be charged more. Therefore, since Netflix uses the MOST amount of bandwidth than any other site, besides a select few. They should get charged more. If it works on the consumer end then it should work on the business end too!


    this is not quite comparable, If there is an advertised that I can get a 100mb line, it should not be hidden that if I use more than 60% of that bandwith I will be throttled.
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