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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple why I support it. I like the internet as we now know it. I dont believe that providers should be able to dictate what speeds certain sites get (a fast lane).
    It makes you wonder what the internet would be if 30 or 40 years ago someone said "I like the internet as we now know it" and made it a public utility.

    I guess we would be living in a vastly differently world. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing but it should be a consideration.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You're right. It doesn't have to be complicated. And it probably won't be complicated. What it probably will be is vague, which will allow government bureaucratic entities to come in afterward and add new rules based on their own interpretation of said vagueness.
    Hopefully it will be vague enough that, the ISPs can come up with something new two years later that makes the law outdated. Such as it goes in the tech world. So let's say some type of framework is passed by the Republicans (not likely with Cruz leading the arguments against it) in 2015. The internet will be extremely different in 2017
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    I support the principle of net neutrality.

    I support a law being passed that's very similar to the recent overturned guidelines by the FCC, that requires US entities (government and private sector alike) to generally consider all data in a neutral fashion without discrimination except in instances of legitimate network congestion issues where that discrimination is the only solution.

    I do not support turning internet access into a utility at this time in a bid to enforce net neutrality, as I believe there is a better feasible option that is capable of being obtained in the next 5 years that doesn't have the same dangers as giving full regulatory control to the government that classification as a utility would provide. However, if no headway on such legislation is made, and the telecoms continue their march forward trampling neutrality principles, I could eventually get on board with such an action.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Uhm, NO.

    The fallacy that the Government could and would mandate " neutrality " or " equity " or " fairness " seems to only appeal to those who're naive enough to believe that a Government entity is sincere when they push for nonsense like this.

    The title of the damn bill should raise red flags.
    Do you know what net neutrality is?


    Look it up ....

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    I couldn't in good conscious stay in Boston with Comcast as the only provider. So I moved to the suburbs in North Jersey, but I realize to most people this isn't a huge priority. In fact, I picked the location that my apartment is in now, strictly based on two points: FIOS internet speeds and closeness to my job. In fact, if I could afford to, I'd move to an area where Google Fiber is up and running. Utah or now Austin Texas. I think if more people did that, they would be much more happier in life. However, I know not everyone is in my situation or can afford it.
    You moved cities to change internet providers? And yet you're vehemently against net neutrality?

    Something is very fishy here.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The question is unclear.

    Do you mean real net neutrality or are you referring to the government taking action?

    If it is introduced by the industry and proven through competition in the market place, sure, I support it.

    If it is a government action on something that can be done without government action, then hell no.

    Instead of whining about the government to do something, if those who are so concerned about it will band together, they could easily start a company to compete against existing companies. If just 1 million of them would put in $100 each, then they would have more than enough to start up in a high density area.
    That's the way deregulation and markets are supposed to work. That's also why we have cell phones. When the government broke up Ma Bell's monopoly and put telephone communication out in the market, at first there was chaos. Eventually order came as well as innovation and today we have smart phones and everyone carries them around in their pocket. That will come to an end with so called net neutrality.

    Cruz says that land lines are regulated by the government under title 2, what ever that is. Net neutrality wants to put cell phones under title 2, treating them like a utility, taxing them and regulating them. They make noise that it's about competition between ISP's and quality of service but those issues should be left to the market. The market took care of AOL and likewise, in an unregulated market, the best competitors win in the end.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Or future administrations. Once a government bureaucracy gets a hold of something, they pretty much never leave well-enough alone.
    The government did have a hold of NN until the isps sued the FCC successfully last January. By reclassifying it as a utility they'll be able to bring back NN.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I support the principle of net neutrality.

    I support a law being passed that's very similar to the recent overturned guidelines by the FCC, that requires US entities (government and private sector alike) to generally consider all data in a neutral fashion without discrimination except in instances of legitimate network congestion issues where that discrimination is the only solution.

    I do not support turning internet access into a utility at this time in a bid to enforce net neutrality, as I believe there is a better feasible option that is capable of being obtained in the next 5 years that doesn't have the same dangers as giving full regulatory control to the government that classification as a utility would provide. However, if no headway on such legislation is made, and the telecoms continue their march forward trampling neutrality principles, I could eventually get on board with such an action.
    Although I know you ended your post with the statement that if the utility classification were the only option remained to protect NN then so be it, I'm curious how the government would "bring back" the original FCC regulations that have already been successfully litigated against once already.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    That's the way deregulation and markets are supposed to work. That's also why we have cell phones. When the government broke up Ma Bell's monopoly and put telephone communication out in the market, at first there was chaos. Eventually order came as well as innovation and today we have smart phones and everyone carries them around in their pocket. That will come to an end with so called net neutrality.
    No, it won't, as the telecom market is largley still ruled by psueod-monopolies having the same impact as Ma Bell had...with no one in government for the most part, INCLUDING Cruz, talking about busitng those psuedo-monopolies up.

    We're not in an unregulated market and there's no major push from officials on either side to change that. There's a reason why if Cox is your cable provider in your area you probably can't choose to go with Comcast or FiOS or Time Warner.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Although I know you ended your post with the statement that if the utility classification were the only option remained to protect NN then so be it, I'm curious how the government would "bring back" the original FCC regulations that have already been successfully litigated against once already.
    To my understanding the FCC didn't have the authority to put forward such regulation on their own upon the telecom companies. I believe that passage of actual legislation, bestowing legitimate regulatory authority of that one narrow notion, would be better able to stand up to legal challenge.

    Essentially, the FCC tried to classify broadband providers as one thing but regulate them as another...something they could not do as they do not have that vested power from any law. However, the congress would have the power to set down regulations; to essentially create the law that the FCC could then utilize as a means of enforcing said regulation.

    Take it from a different approach; lets look at immigration .

    Let's say USCIS suddenly decided that it would have an internal policy as it relates to immigration where it would deem people brought here under the age of 18 as being able to be granted a green card. This would likely hold up in court, because while USCIS has perview over regulating citizenship and immigration it does not have the vest authority to go that far outside of what the law allows for.

    HOWEVER, that internal policy being struck down in court wouldn't preclude the congress from coming in and passing a law saying that anyone brought here under the age of 18 is able to be granted a green card. Because unliek the USCIS, congress has the ability to make and change actual law.

    The FCC didn't have the authority to apply regulation to the telecom companies because they didn't classify the telecoms as the type of carrier that the law allows them to regulate. That isn't an issue for congress passing a law.

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