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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I wasn't arguing anything... I am simply concerned.
    I must have read this part wrong:

    If all the carriers come to a group consensus to discriminating data at the same time, than I feel like they should be held in contempt for violating anti-trust laws.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Because the world doesn't revolve around you? How do I trust the soon-to-be legislators that they have any understanding of the Internet and won't get bought out by ILECs?
    You can't without complete transparency of the issue and a political leader that keeps it's integrity.... right now, I don't think we have that, so I would almost think its better to wait this issue out and see what the companies actually do.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I must have read this part wrong:
    I am for Network Neutrality... for what it is actually defined as... not some bastardized version concocted by political crooks. That is more important to me and is a worse alternative to avoid.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    You can't without complete transparency of the issue and a political leader that keeps it's integrity.... right now, I don't think we have that, so I would almost think its better to wait this issue out and see what the companies actually do.
    The bill doesn't have to be complicated. I just needs to say the right things (treat all data packets the same, etc), and that's it. There isn't any need for government oversight? Am I right? The end users will be the police, and any violation of net neutrality would bring about lawsuits.

    It just seems like a no brainer, so hopefully both sides can come together and get it done. Obama doesn't need to make this complicated.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I am for Network Neutrality... for what it is actually defined as... not some bastardized version concocted by political crooks. That is more important to me and is a worse alternative to avoid.
    Can you tell us the difference between net neutrality in 2012 and net neutrality in 2014? Can you tell us what net neutrality meant in its first form? How was achieved? Who played a role in achieving it?
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What actual alternatives do you have in your city if you were to drop your ISP? When I say actual alternative I am not talking about setting up a AOL account so that you can get internet over your phone line.
    'Necessity is the mother of invention'.

    One would only abandon a local ISP if it became unusable or unaffordable to do otherwise. Were companies/corporations to create this situation, they would eventually go bankrupt.

    So I think it extremely unlikely the above scenario would come to pass. I think it more likely that, in the long run, freedom from forced net neutrality would make the Internet less expensive for the masses, not more so.
    This is what I meant in my original statement.

    The government meddles in almost every thing FAR too much...this is another example of that, imo.

    Let the free market decide how the Internet should be run.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Necessity is the mother of invention'.

    One would only abandon a local ISP if it became unusable or unaffordable to do otherwise. Were companies/corporations to create this situation, they would eventually go bankrupt.

    So I think it extremely unlikely the above scenario would come to pass. I think it more likely that, in the long run, freedom from forced net neutrality would make the Internet less expensive for the masses, not more so.
    This is what I meant in my original statement.

    The government meddles in almost every thing FAR too much...this is another example of that, imo.

    Let the free market decide how the Internet should be run.
    Well I guess repeal the bill of rights, too. I mean, you don't want them meddling in your freedoms, right?

    And again, ILECs represent a nationwide oligarchy and local monopolies. Meanwhile, you yourself just said the product is inelastic. There is no such thing as a free market when dealing with an inelastic product that is delivered by a monopoly.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well I guess repeal the bill of rights, too. I mean, you don't want them meddling in your freedoms, right?

    And again, ILECs represent a nationwide oligarchy and local monopolies. Meanwhile, you yourself just said the product is inelastic. There is no such thing as a free market when dealing with an inelastic product that is delivered by a monopoly.
    Come on now...we are talking about business issues...not basic human rights.

    If you are going to spew nonsense, you will be ignored by me.


    I believe the government - outside of health/safety, environmental damage and basic law violations - should stay COMPLETELY out of the economy. Including regulating the Internet.

    You obviously disagree.

    We are done here.


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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Come on now...we are talking about business issues...not basic human rights.

    If you are going to spew nonsense, you will be ignored by me.


    I believe the government - outside of health/safety, environmental damage and basic law violations - should stay COMPLETELY out of the economy. Including regulating the Internet.

    You obviously disagree.

    We are done here.


    Good day.
    It was to point out the idea that just because it is government regulation, that is somehow restrictive instead of the opposite. It's no more restrictive than the 1st Amendment.

    And yeah, we definitely disagree on your second point - and so does every economist in the world with you. Monopolies are not an example of a free market, and they need to be treated as such. We're done here, because there is no counterpoint.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Nice to see here that everyone supports unprecedented control over the internet by the US government. Glad you all can trust the government with that.

    Here's the problem, and here's the solution.

    Should ISPs finally decide to do every horrible thing Net Neutrality advocates warn about, the only reason why ISPs would be able to do so is because they have infrastructure monopolies. Telecomm infrastructure either needs to be shared like it is in South Korea, or completely open with no protection from city governments, municipalities, so on and so forth. Focus on that and all the largely fabricated fears spouted from Net Neutrality advocates will go away when customers will have the choice to instead pay for an ISP that provides open access for a fixed unmetered monthly rate.

    Now, if you end up finding yourself advocating for shared infrastructure, I recommend keeping it a local level so that the federal government has no power to mess it up for everyone.

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