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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    I hate my cable provider, like all good citizens should. I support net neutrality.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post

    If big, cable companies favor one group over another...tough. Then don't use that company and find an alternative.
    If they are corrupting your representatives, then don't vote for them.
    What actual alternatives do you have in your city if you were to drop your ISP? When I say actual alternative I am not talking about setting up a AOL account so that you can get internet over your phone line.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well here the internet is regulated by the CRTC, investigations into throttling are started due to complaints against the ISP either by normal consumers or companies like Netflix. The last case of throttling in Canada was committed by Rogers who throttled gaming data, people complained, Rogers was investigated, then fined.
    Imagine that, a country that realized that throttling data wasn't in its best interest. I bet Canada's technological innovation has been stifled as a result.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's not declaring it a public entity, it's declaring it a utility, which for various economic reasons means that it requires added protection for consumers.
    I'm all game as far as that holds true... but i'm still skeptical

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I think you misread something somewhere. The internet is not being touched. Internet Service Providers (ISPs) would be what's being classified as "common carriers," not public entities, and thus would be prevent from discriminating against the data they carry.
    I'm concerned how the proposed law could be abused.

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    You mean, at the complete discretion of AT&T, Comcast, TWC and Cox Communications who are repeatedly named the worst companies in America?
    At least we have the power of being a consumer, if a major carrier started to implement this at a large scale, then that would make them much less desirable amongst the competition... losing customers. If all the carriers come to a group consensus to discriminating data at the same time, than I feel like they should be held in contempt for violating anti-trust laws.
    At least we have that power in this case... the other case could let the government beast in, so to say... these are just my concerns, if someone can give me the confidence that the current administration will not use net neutrality as a means to get more power over the internet... that would be great.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I'm concerned how the proposed law could be abused.
    How? It's a law that has been used to regulate all telecoms for decades. There is no potential there for abuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    At least we have the power of being a consumer, if a major carrier started to implement this at a large scale, then that would make them much less desirable amongst the competition... losing customers. If all the carriers come to a group consensus to discriminating data at the same time, than I feel like they should be held in contempt for violating anti-trust laws.
    At least we have that power in this case... the other case could let the government beast in, so to say... these are just my concerns, if someone can give me the confidence that the current administration will not use net neutrality as a means to get more power over the internet... that would be great.
    What consumer power -- 30% of Americans only have one available ISP in their area. 67% have 2 or fewer. I'm one of them. I can either choose Comcast (who I loathe) or RCN. I have no power as a consumer.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I'm concerned how the proposed law could be abused.


    At least we have the power of being a consumer, if a major carrier started to implement this at a large scale, then that would make them much less desirable amongst the competition... losing customers. If all the carriers come to a group consensus to discriminating data at the same time, than I feel like they should be held in contempt for violating anti-trust laws.
    At least we have that power in this case... the other case could let the government beast in, so to say... these are just my concerns, if someone can give me the confidence that the current administration will not use net neutrality as a means to get more power over the internet... that would be great.
    Anti-trust laws? They don't have to discriminate against the same data. Comcast execs have already admitted they don't share the same markets as other providers. So what can you do when you live in a city where Comcast is the only provider available? You move to a place where the kind of data you're trying to access isn't being throttled?

    As it stands, anyone would have trouble making the case that if Comcast decides to discriminate against forums, and COX decides to discriminate against sites like Yahoo, they'd be engaging in a violation of antitrust laws. They could even have open communication about the "packages" they offer and there wouldn't be a single violation of antitrust laws. Hell, they could even tell each other what websites they plan to block using flyers and there wouldn't be an issue.

    Arguments that ignore the fact that many of these companies have monopolies in various markets fail.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Anti-trust laws? They don't have to discriminate against the same data. Comcast execs have already admitted they don't share the same markets as other providers. So what can you do when you live in a city where Comcast is the only provider available? You move to a place where the kind of data you're trying to access isn't being throttled?

    As it stands, anyone would have trouble making the case that if Comcast decides to discriminate against forums, and COX decides to discriminate against sites like Yahoo, they'd be engaging in a violation of antitrust laws. They could even have open communication about the "packages" they offer and there wouldn't be a single violation of antitrust laws. Hell, they could even tell each other what websites they plan to block using flyers and there wouldn't be an issue.

    Arguments that ignore the fact that many of these companies have monopolies in various markets fail.
    I wasn't arguing anything... I am simply concerned.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    How? It's a law that has been used to regulate all telecoms for decades. There is no potential there for abuse.


    What consumer power -- 30% of Americans only have one available ISP in their area. 67% have 2 or fewer. I'm one of them. I can either choose Comcast (who I loathe) or RCN. I have no power as a consumer.
    There is very little consumer power as you pointed out...

    You still haven't address any reason why I should trust the current administration to not abuse this proposal.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    There is very little consumer power as you pointed out...

    You still haven't address any reason why I should trust the current administration to not abuse this proposal.
    Because the world doesn't revolve around you? How do I trust the soon-to-be legislators that they have any understanding of the Internet and won't get bought out by ILECs?
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