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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Besides for web hosting, I know of no legit reason to use P2P. Transferring files through P2P does slow down the rest of your internet. That's how that works. Try downloading a bunch (20 or so at a time) of 700 MB movie files from a cloud server and then watching Netflix. Can't be done on my 75/75 MB line. Usually it's the server that times out. So it's impossible to do that any other way. I've searched for alternatives to my favorite downloader Internet Download Manager, but none does what it is great at. It basically takes apart the files, and puts them back together. Scrambling the data allowing you to bypass most ISP monitoring. Most of the other software out there, downloads the file directly and then ISP can still see what you are doing. In the case of IDM, ISP only knows you are transfeering GBs of unknown data. Yet, using both methods, you can't download a bunch without timing out other applications. The Technology doesn't exist yet but we are getting there. Making any NN bill that Congress can throw together in the next four years absolutely useless. Unless if it was so restricting of the very freedom these advocates are fighting to "save."
    There are plenty of good reasons to run P2P. Do you want to install linux? The best way to get an ISO image is through a torrent.

    Here are a bunch of others.
    List of Peer-to-Peer Applications / FrontPage

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    That is not the entirety of the bill. If it was the bill would read very similar to your sentence you just stated and just as long if not shorter. The bill for net neutrality is many pages longer therefor the devil is in the details. I don't trust the devil, therefor I am opposed to a bill unless it very specific and clear.
    Where did you hear that it is "many pages longer"?

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/4880/text

    This is the entirety of the Online Competition and Consumer Choice Act of 2014

    (a) In General.--Not later than 90 days after the date of the
    enactment of this Act, the Commission shall promulgate regulations
    that--
    (1) prohibit a broadband provider from entering into an
    agreement with an edge provider under which the broadband
    provider agrees, for consideration, in transmitting network
    traffic over the broadband Internet access service of an end
    user, to give preferential treatment or priority to the traffic
    of such edge provider over the traffic of other edge providers;
    and
    (2) prohibit a broadband provider, in transmitting network
    traffic over the broadband Internet access service of an end
    user, from giving preferential treatment or priority to the
    traffic of content, applications, services, or devices that are
    provided or operated by such broadband provider, or an
    affiliate of such broadband provider, over the traffic of other
    content, applications, services, or devices.
    (b) Rules of Construction.--
    (1) Certain traffic not affected.--Nothing in this section
    shall be construed as superseding any obligation or
    authorization a broadband provider may have to address the
    needs of emergency communications or law enforcement, public
    safety, or national security authorities, consistent with or as
    permitted by applicable law, or as limiting the ability of the
    provider to do so.
    (2) Clarification of authority.--Nothing in this section
    shall be construed as limiting the authority of the Commission
    under any other provision of law, including the authority to
    promulgate regulations prohibiting or limiting preferential
    treatment or prioritization of the traffic of an edge provider
    by a broadband provider under GN Docket No. 14-28 (relating to
    the matter of protecting and promoting the open Internet).
    (c) Enforcement.--For purposes of sections 503(b) and 504 of the
    Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 503(b); 504), this section shall
    be considered to be a part of such Act. With respect to enforcement
    under this section only, the following modifications of such section
    503(b) shall apply:
    (1) Paragraph (5) shall not apply.
    (2) Paragraph (6) shall be applied by substituting the
    following: ``No forfeiture penalty shall be determined or
    imposed against any person under this subsection if the
    violation charged occurred more than 3 years prior to the date
    of issuance of the required notice or notice of apparent
    liability.''.
    (d) Definitions.--In this section:
    (1) Affiliate.--The term ``affiliate'' has the meaning
    given such term in section 3 of the Communications Act of 1934
    (47 U.S.C. 153).
    (2) Broadband internet access service.--The term
    ``broadband Internet access service'' has the meaning given
    such term in section 8.11 of title 47, Code of Federal
    Regulations.
    (3) Broadband provider.--The term ``broadband provider''
    means a provider of broadband Internet access service.
    (4) Commission.--The term ``Commission'' means the Federal
    Communications Commission.
    (5) Edge provider.--The term ``edge provider'' means an
    individual, institution, or other entity that provides--
    (A) any content, application, or service over the
    Internet; or
    (B) a device used for accessing any content,
    application, or service over the Internet.
    (6) End user.--The term ``end user'' means an individual,
    institution, or other entity that uses a broadband Internet
    access service.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Where did you hear that it is "many pages longer"?

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/4880/text

    This is the entirety of the Online Competition and Consumer Choice Act of 2014
    (a) In General.--Not later than 90 days after the date of the
    enactment of this Act, the Commission shall promulgate regulations
    that-- That is the devil.


    That wasn't the bill I was thinking in any case.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    (a) In General.--Not later than 90 days after the date of the
    enactment of this Act, the Commission shall promulgate regulations
    that-- That is the devil.


    That wasn't the bill I was thinking in any case.
    That bill is pretty succinct. It does exactly what everyone here has said it should do. This is the senate version. Where is the many page bill? And if you have an issue with it, what is it? It's a short bill, and pretty easy to understand.

    http://www.leahy.senate.gov/imo/medi...oice%20Act.pdf

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    That the net is neutral is farcical. It's prone to power struggles just like the offline world. The CIA and its EU counterparts have been acting with Interpol to shutdown websites every single day that go against international law.

    It's also unfortunate that people think making a law about net neutrality will make it neutral. The best way to keep the net neutral is to do nothing. Corporate powers will do what they do, and individual actors will do what they do. The internet is a free for all as it should be. We need to stop making laws to nanny the internet. It started with child porn laws which are totally ineffective, then laws to go after piracy sites, then drug laws to bust sites like Silk Road.

    None of those actions have been tenable long term, they've just given government the power to intrude on your life more than ever. Net neutrality means people taking personal responsibility, but as is the case with other laws people don't want to do that and they want nanny government to come and do it for them.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    There are plenty of good reasons to run P2P. Do you want to install linux? The best way to get an ISO image is through a torrent.

    Here are a bunch of others.
    List of Peer-to-Peer Applications / FrontPage
    True but not many people use it for solely those purposes. With Torrenting which is what that website was advocating for, there is way too much of a chance to download copyrighted material. Only web hosting p2p allows for complete abstinence from torrent sites and illegal torrents. IDC if Linux is a faster download ISO on torrent sites. You can easily get it from Linux site.

    I know ISPs would prefer you not to torrent.Yet the internet savvy can always find ways around the ISP themselves.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The best way to keep the net neutral is to do nothing. Corporate powers will do what they do, and individual actors will do what they do. The internet is a free for all as it should be. We need to stop making laws to nanny the internet.
    I you do not do anything, we lost that freedom, the internet becomes controlled by the corporations.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    That the net is neutral is farcical. It's prone to power struggles just like the offline world. The CIA and its EU counterparts have been acting with Interpol to shutdown websites every single day that go against international law.

    It's also unfortunate that people think making a law about net neutrality will make it neutral. The best way to keep the net neutral is to do nothing. Corporate powers will do what they do, and individual actors will do what they do. The internet is a free for all as it should be. We need to stop making laws to nanny the internet. It started with child porn laws which are totally ineffective, then laws to go after piracy sites, then drug laws to bust sites like Silk Road.

    None of those actions have been tenable long term, they've just given government the power to intrude on your life more than ever. Net neutrality means people taking personal responsibility, but as is the case with other laws people don't want to do that and they want nanny government to come and do it for them.
    Ya' mean people like Comcast and Time Warner? Sony pictures is taking care of their repsonibility for the movies too! When you go, and as a couple spend just about $50 before you sit down, Sony movie theaters run 30 minutes of glorious already been seen on television commericals.

    That's the market taking responsible care of thing for ya.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    True but not many people use it for solely those purposes. With Torrenting which is what that website was advocating for, there is way too much of a chance to download copyrighted material. Only web hosting p2p allows for complete abstinence from torrent sites and illegal torrents. IDC if Linux is a faster download ISO on torrent sites. You can easily get it from Linux site.

    I know ISPs would prefer you not to torrent.Yet the internet savvy can always find ways around the ISP themselves.
    You really confuse me. You obviously know a lot about networking and computers, yet you oppose net neutrality and even P2P filesharing. You're even willing to squash legitimate usage and emerging business models on the grounds that someone might also use them to transfer copyrighted material. You say that you've been forced to move cities to change ISP's? Do you own an ISP?

    Oh, btw.. there isn't a "linux" site, at least not in the way you're thinking. Linux is an OS with a number of different distributions. And you've never actually tried to download a full OS iso from a web page; it doesn't always work regardless of transfer speeds. Plus it is significantly faster, and much more efficient to download it through a P2P network. A single bit error doesn’t' matter for most ISO's, but will play havoc on an OS install.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Ugh. If you want to compare sites. At least compare sites that work in similar ways. A good idea is HULU VS Netflix. Not DP VS Netflix. This is a fundamental problem with people who don't understand the NN debate. They DON'T understand how Data operates. So let me explain. If you spend all day on DP that means you will only use Kilobytes of data going back and forth between pages, and texts. Since that's all this site does. No Video, and barely any pics. You will be able to browse the internet quite smoothly on 100 MB especially if you can routinely connect to wifi.

    However, in Netflix's case. It uses 1 GB/Hr. Remember Cell Phone plans start at only 2GBs for data not including promotions. Family plans start at 10 or maybe 20 depending on your carrier. So you can't watch much Netflix on Phone's service. Got it? Good. Now, most ISPs have monthly data caps at around, 350 GB. That's a lot!!!! Before all of this streaming stuff. No one hit the data caps, though they did exist. You couldn't reach it! It was impossible even with illegal downloads. Now however, lets say you watch Netflix 8 hours a day for 30 days. You would use up 240 GB of data!!!! That's nearly 70% of all your data, for ONE device! If you have a family, or younger kids, or teenagers at home. You can easily break the barrier. Verizon sends out notifications when you reach your limit at 75% and 90% levels. Then they start to slow down your internet until the next cycle.

    This is what happens when you create a really great website that everyone wants to use all the time. Things slow down and they clog up. So you see, Netflix isn't the Slow lane. Netflix is clogging up the pipe everyone else uses for everything else!!! They HAVE to and do pay for the fast lanes especially during peak hours. Unless you can figure out some other solution, this is the only way that will work.
    All of what you said is irrelevant. Again customers ranging from the home user or business user pay for a certain download and upload rate. They are not able to exceed those download and upload rates. It doesn't matter if they use all 1oo megabits per second download rate for 24 hours, several hours, an hour or even just 20 minutes. That is what they paid for. So if the system is strained it is because the ISP sold more than what they are capable of delivering, not because customers are actually using the download and upload rates they pay for. Is layman's term you pay for a certain doorway size for data to come into your computer and to leave your computer. If ISPs have a problem with their customers actually using all of that doorway they paid for then they should not have sold that doorway size.I do not know about you bust most people are not going to pay for a 100 megabit download rate just so they can visit sites like DP.That would be a huge waste of money on the consumer's part if that is all they did with that 100 megabit connection.
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