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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Show me a utility that is not taxed, or has "fees" tacked on. just one.
    You said, "will help them line their pockets." That describes a lobbying effort.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You said, "will help them line their pockets." That describes a lobbying effort.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Show me a utility that is not taxed, or has "fees" tacked on. just one.
    Or pork or holes. That's what I'm worried about. Whatever bill is passed will be useless because this topic is too political and not based on technical things.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I would support that. Unfortunately the situation we have is that one party is proposing a solution whereas the other party is proposing no solution at all, and all of them probably don't understand the internet very well at all anyway.
    Corporation destruction of network neutrality isn't going to happen over night. The issue is just beginning to truly get mainstream saturation in the past year or so. There's no need to absolutely, positively, without question act now if that action is wrong....and the utility option has a lot of potential to be wrong.

    I disgree with doing nothing, I also disagree with doing a utility option right now....the best realistic option is to push over the next 2 to 5 years for it being codified into law

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Welll, it was proven that it was done previously by ISPs (comcast was proven to be doing it with P2P traffic). However, there's no indication it's actually occuring currently. However, companies have argued that they should essentially be able to do this in their briefs challenging the FCC's net neutrality guidelines. I believe it was Verizon argued that they should have the ability to discriminate against any data going over their network for any reason they choose, not just for legitimate concerns of network congestion as the guidelines required.

    The issue isn't so much that net neutrality is absolutely being stomped on today, but rather that there have been indications over the past 10 years of telecoms taking a step on it or expressing an interest in taking such steps and there's reason to believe that they will continue down that direction at a more furious pace as government regulation to the contrary is removed and the solidification of their psuedo-monopolies continue.
    Besides for web hosting, I know of no legit reason to use P2P. Transferring files through P2P does slow down the rest of your internet. That's how that works. Try downloading a bunch (20 or so at a time) of 700 MB movie files from a cloud server and then watching Netflix. Can't be done on my 75/75 MB line. Usually it's the server that times out. So it's impossible to do that any other way. I've searched for alternatives to my favorite downloader Internet Download Manager, but none does what it is great at. It basically takes apart the files, and puts them back together. Scrambling the data allowing you to bypass most ISP monitoring. Most of the other software out there, downloads the file directly and then ISP can still see what you are doing. In the case of IDM, ISP only knows you are transfeering GBs of unknown data. Yet, using both methods, you can't download a bunch without timing out other applications. The Technology doesn't exist yet but we are getting there. Making any NN bill that Congress can throw together in the next four years absolutely useless. Unless if it was so restricting of the very freedom these advocates are fighting to "save."
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How will telling ISPs that they can't treat the internet like a cable tv or satellite tv package and that access to all websites must be treated equally going to lead to government abuse of net neutrality?
    That is not the entirety of the bill. If it was the bill would read very similar to your sentence you just stated and just as long if not shorter. The bill for net neutrality is many pages longer therefor the devil is in the details. I don't trust the devil, therefor I am opposed to a bill unless it very specific and clear.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    In concept it appeals to people that their portal goes anywhere equally.
    The devil is in the details.
    I dont trust the government to find a way to accomplish it. And I dont like govt dictating business decisions.
    Just as a business can determine a need to put governors on there bandwidth so other businessrs could choose to use this as a opportunity to distinguish itself from the competition.
    These sorts of things usually work themselves out. But when govt gets involved it makes things worse ala bank charges. We all got screwed with that.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    The notion that the government can be more effective in regulating this that the market itself is mind blowing. If people aren't happy with their internet speeds and access, they make a change. They change the market. I think few people want to have specific ISPs blocked, why not force the hands of the major companies by not paying them. They want our money, we want an open internet, seems pretty easy to me.
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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    The notion that the government can be more effective in regulating this
    They have been. Learn the history of net neutrality, folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    that the market itself is mind blowing. If people aren't happy with their internet speeds and access, they make a change. They change the market. I think few people want to have specific ISPs blocked, why not force the hands of the major companies by not paying them. They want our money, we want an open internet, seems pretty easy to me.

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    Re: Do you support Net Neutrality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Corporation destruction of network neutrality isn't going to happen over night. The issue is just beginning to truly get mainstream saturation in the past year or so. There's no need to absolutely, positively, without question act now if that action is wrong....and the utility option has a lot of potential to be wrong.

    I disgree with doing nothing, I also disagree with doing a utility option right now....the best realistic option is to push over the next 2 to 5 years for it being codified into law
    It's important to act now while there is mainstream saturation. The ISPs have clearly put in a great deal of time and energy (not to forget money) to destroy NN, and we should respond in kind while we have any degree of voice.

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