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Thread: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well, given the fact that 1) Most rapes go unreported and 2) False rape accusations are statistically negligible (though they do still happen), I would say that he most likely is a rapist. However, I've been wrong before. I will say that this definitely needs to be investigated.
    ... Can I ask on what you base #1 and #2?
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    Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Skepitcal, yes, but not the point of dismissing it without even hearing the evidence.
    Like I said, I don't dismiss it, but I won't be swayed one way or the other. I also have no real compulsion to protect my childhood from being ruined. I grew up listening to his stand-up (I never watched his shows), but that doesn't really sway my sympathies.
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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    I smell gold digger - I don't however doubt that Cosby is human and has needs just like everyone else. What i doubt is that he would rape this woman - especially since she kept coming back to him and his agent. A rape victim doesn't do that. She's looking for money and who better to get it from than him - someone she knows who others can corroborate her knowing and spending time with and who's got lots of money.
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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A lot of things are possible, but until the man is found guilty in court he's innocent.
    Fair enough. But my opinion is: He's in for a serious set of problems in the near future.

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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    Kinda like the idiot parents who let their kids have sleepovers with Michael Jackson.

    If he was the Wal Mart greeter I really doubt her parents would have let her spend the night with him.

    It is all about the money. This may be a chance for her retirement money.

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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Can I ask on what you base #1 and #2?
    One is pretty much common knowledge.

    "Estimates show that between 50–90% of rapes go unreported" (Rape Myths and Facts | wellwvu | West Virginia University)

    Rape Is Grossly Underreported In The U.S., Study Finds

    "The most recent research, however, indicates that a majority of rape victims still do not report their attacks to police." (Reporting of Sexual Violence Incidents | National Institute of Justice)


    Number two is a bit more difficult. There is no actual official number as it is extremely hard to get down to and they may be headed under the term unfounded report, however that doesn't mean that it was an accusation. The latest stat I heard was from a study in Britain which found that .6% of all rape allegations were false. (Women Don’t Lie About Rape As Often As You Think They Do Balloon Juice)

    Yes, I do understand that it is a different country, culture and what not. However, it still does mean something as studies regarding rape allegations are rarely done. Let's say that the US is 10 times worse, that would only take the number up to 6% or in otherwords 9.4 out of 10 rape allegations would be true.

    EDIT: Found some more info. "According to the FBI, between 1.5% and 8% of rape accusations were later found to be false." "With that being said, there are a variety of other resources such as the United States Justice Department that states approximately 2% of all rape complaints are false." (http://healthresearchfunding.org/8-f...on-statistics/)
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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    If he was the Wal Mart greeter I really doubt her parents would have let her spend the night with him.

    It is all about the money. This may be a chance for her retirement money.
    It's certainly a possibility the other being she's telling the truth, doubt anyone outside of those involved will ever know.

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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    One is pretty much common knowledge.

    "Estimates show that between 50–90% of rapes go unreported" (Rape Myths and Facts | wellwvu | West Virginia University)

    Rape Is Grossly Underreported In The U.S., Study Finds

    "The most recent research, however, indicates that a majority of rape victims still do not report their attacks to police." (Reporting of Sexual Violence Incidents | National Institute of Justice)
    So... how do you quantify/estimate something which is not reported?

    Number two is a bit more difficult. There is no actual official number as it is extremely hard to get down to and they may be headed under the term unfounded report, however that doesn't mean that it was an accusation. The latest stat I heard was from a study in Britain which found that .6% of all rape allegations were false. (Women Don’t Lie About Rape As Often As You Think They Do Balloon Juice)

    Yes, I do understand that it is a different country, culture and what not. However, it still does mean something as studies regarding rape allegations are rarely done. Let's say that the US is 10 times worse, that would only take the number up to 6% or in otherwords 9.4 out of 10 rape allegations would be true.

    EDIT: Found some more info. "According to the FBI, between 1.5% and 8% of rape accusations were later found to be false." "With that being said, there are a variety of other resources such as the United States Justice Department that states approximately 2% of all rape complaints are false." (8 Incredible False Rape Accusation Statistics | HRF)
    Alright, so I looked up your 2% number... and found it was based on this:

    False rape accusations: Why must we pretend they never happen?

    How frequent are false accusations? A commonly cited estimate, which may have originated with feminist author Susan Brownmiller in the 1970s, is that they account for only about 2 percent of rape reports. After the Oberst fiasco, feminist blogger Rebecca Watson posted a video asserting that, statistically, you will be wrong two out of 100 times if you presume a rape accusation to be true and 98 out of 100 times if you presume it to be false.
    Then I found this:

    False accusation of rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Attachment 67175952

    So we have... a system where studies range from 2% to 90% false reports... but the standards for what constitutes a false rape report aren't there... We have... statistics which can't be quantified in any meaningful manner... and we have people who are sure that these numbers are legit. Are there any other fields of criminology where conclusions are dependent on estimates? I'm just genuinely curious about this.
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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So... how do you quantify/estimate something which is not reported?



    Alright, so I looked up your 2% number... and found it was based on this:

    False rape accusations: Why must we pretend they never happen?



    Then I found this:

    False accusation of rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Attachment 67175952

    So we have... a system where studies range from 2% to 90% false reports... but the standards for what constitutes a false rape report aren't there... We have... statistics which can't be quantified in any meaningful manner... and we have people who are sure that these numbers are legit. Are there any other fields of criminology where such liberal attitudes are given to conclusions on statistics? I'm just genuinely curious about this.
    I can't personally say that the numbers are rock solid, but this is the only information really that we have to base off of it. I do agree with you though, more specificity is needed and what constitutes a false rape allegation is also needed. I do understand where you are coming from.
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    Re: Bill Cosby - Rapist, or Victim ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I can't personally say that the numbers are rock solid, but this is the only information really that we have to base off of it. I do agree with you though, more specificity is needed and what constitutes a false rape allegation is also needed. I do understand where you are coming from.
    Yep, that's mostly what I thought. I tend to be skeptical on conclusions which are dependent on estimates unless there is pretty solid evidence behind them. For example, we can't really say how many serial killers there are out there right now. However, given the statistics and racial makeup of apprehended serial killers, we can estimate that the majority of those operating in the US are male, predominantly white and they have had previous encounters with the law. However, can we determine whether they like to cut up bodies or molest their dead victims? We can estimate but there is really no degree of certainty.
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