View Poll Results: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

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  • Yes, it's a bad thing. Everybody should vote.

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  • It's not bad, but we should still encourage everybody to vote.

    9 18.37%
  • No, it's not a bad thing. Leave people alone.

    13 26.53%
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Informed by who and about what though ?

    If you look at who funds the campaigns , who presides over the debates , who is included/excluded , the parameters of debate etc etc....." informed " becomes something of a joke imo

    In our corporatocracies , plutocracies, polyarchies call it what you will , you will be given the choice between which faction of the business party you can vote for.

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    For me, the answer is leave people alone. In a participatory democracy, you have the freedom not to participate if you so choose. How valuable or honest is my vote if I can't stand the two people who are opposing each other for an office?

    I'm a little more receptive to mandatory voting when it comes to ballot initiatives. I'm much more in favour of legislators making such decisions - they can be recalled or voted out - but if you're going to put the question to the citizens, then there should be a threshold that has to be reached before the vote is valid - let's say 80% or higher for the answer to the question to be binding.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    It's very easy to research who is backing which candidate/measure. The problem is that hardly anyone knows how, much less takes the time to.
    Yes, and often the people buying the elections are three degrees removed of the "organization," or PAC that is footing the bill. My state is bought and paid for by out-of-state interests.

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    To hear so many people tell it, you'd think it is. Some have even used words like "disgrace" to describe American low percentages of participation.

    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I simply don't see it that way.

    Some countries mandate voting. There seems to be an increasing sentiment in this country to do the same, to mandate voting. One of the claims is that people would be more inclined to research if they knew that had to. I don't buy that. I would be vehemently against that, for two reasons...

    1) I don't want the results skewed by people who don't care enough to research, or at least pay attention.

    2) The freedom to not do something is just as important, if not more so, than the freedom to have the ability to do something.

    IMHO, #2 stands quite well on it's own. And I detest "get out the vote" campaigns due to #1.

    What say you?
    I agree with the idea that if an individual does not want to vote, don't force him. I think if someone wants to vote, he will. I do not think people should go banging on doors and come very close to putting them in handcuffs to get them to the polls. If they think voting is important, they will. If they don't, leave them alone.

    What you have in many area are harvesting voters by the parties with their ground game. People who do not have the slightest idea of what or whom they are voting for, voting because someone rousted them out of their home and hustled them off to the polls.

    turn out doesn't bother me. Let those who have the gumption vote, those who do not, let them be.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yes, and often the people buying the elections are three degrees removed of the "organization," or PAC that is footing the bill. My state is bought and paid for by out-of-state interests.
    I'm just thankful for the various watchdog groups that keep track of such stuff.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

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    Would you rather citizens toss a coin?
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    It's a bad thing for the losing Party, but I don't think it's necessarily an indictment upon the quality of the country itself.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    I think people should become informed and then vote accordingly.

    However, I don't think making voting mandatory is the answer.

    I don't know the answer, but mandatory isn't it.

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?
    yes. people should take the initiative to research the candidates and vote.

    edit to add : part of the apathy is due to our monochromatic duopoly. many think that their vote won't change anything, so they don't care. we need to end gerrymandering, which helps to keep the duopoly in place.

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Informed by who and about what though ?

    If you look at who funds the campaigns , who presides over the debates , who is included/excluded , the parameters of debate etc etc....." informed " becomes something of a joke imo

    In our corporatocracies , plutocracies, polyarchies call it what you will , you will be given the choice between which faction of the business party you can vote for.

    If "democracy" ever threatened to become anywhere near meaningful they would just ban it.
    I feel similarly. I believe voting is much like pissing in the wind. I believe election outcomes are as much influenced by the establishment as it is by the voting populous. I am also not a believer in the "lesser of two evils" strategy and will not vote unless we have a candidate I fully support. I refuse to put even my almost meaningless vote behind anyone I find questionable. As a result I rarely vote and if they mandated that I do so well It wouldn't do them any good. I would still only vote when I wished to. If that meant a fine or some jail time, so be it. You are not going to make me support anyone that I do not feel deserves my support.

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