View Poll Results: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

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  • Yes, it's a bad thing. Everybody should vote.

    20 40.82%
  • It's not bad, but we should still encourage everybody to vote.

    9 18.37%
  • No, it's not a bad thing. Leave people alone.

    13 26.53%
  • Other.

    7 14.29%
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I chose "other." When "none of the above" is the last line on all voting machines, that will represent real progress.
    "None of the above" is emotionally satisfying, but I think it carries with it two huge negative consequences.

    1) Many people would choose it just to be jerks.

    2) Leaving offices vacant would not serve us well, and would magnify the power of those people and/or parties who do get in.


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    That depends, is this person a Democrat or a Republican?

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How about the person who has a very successful career, pays a boat load of taxes, but doesn't own a home because it's not practical with all their traveling?
    I don't know.

    I'd have to give a little more thought to what we'd do with the two of them...
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    "None of the above" is emotionally satisfying, but I think it carries with it two huge negative consequences.

    1) Many people would choose it just to be jerks.
    People are allowed to be and still can be with the current system so this wouldn't matter in the slightest.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    2) Leaving offices vacant would not serve us well, and would magnify the power of those people and/or parties who do get in.
    So hold another election with someone other than those that are running. This way people will actually get who they want instead of the same ole' same ole'. It would probably even encourage politicians to be more honest with those that they are supposed to represent.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Voted "Other".

    I think universal suffrage is ridiculous.

    I believe that there should be age (older than 18 for most people), education, property ownership (home and or business), and military service requirements to voting.

    Not necessarily all of them for everyone, but some mix of the above.

    I'm fine with an 18-year-old in the military voting, and I'm okay with a 40-year-old voting even though he may never have been in the military so long as he has a college education and owns his own home, or maybe no college education but owns a home and business, or, you get the idea.

    But allowing every idiot with a GED and a FOX News addiction to vote is crazy, as is allowing folks who have been receiving welfare generationally since we became the "Great Society" that we are.
    Ironically some of the greatest people that this country has had barely had a high school diploma. A piece of paper from some college doesn't make one unqualified for voting. Neither does owning a piece of land.

    Dollars to donuts people that say this crap are not poor and doesn't even know what its like to be poor.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Truth be known, in national and high level state elections, it really doesn't matter. Either way, we're screwed. The big money buys and forms our opinion's anyways. We don't really have a clue as to who we are actually voting for. They are all a product of publicity firms and marketing experts.

    Voting is just a "feel good," exercise to make us believe that we actually have a say in things that are going on. At the end of the day, it's all about who is going to serve the big money the most. It has been determined, and the numbers are indisputable, we are no longer a democracy. But as long as the powers that be can make us feel like we are, there is peace in the valley.

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Ironically some of the greatest people that this country has had barely had a high school diploma. A piece of paper from some college doesn't make one unqualified for voting. Neither does owning a piece of land.
    Fair enough. And I'm willing to leave room for these exceptional Americans.

    If they develop a new school of thought in psychology, or if they found a multibillion dollar, multinational business, or if they're celebrated far and wide for their exceptionally selfless volunteerism and/or efforts to create social harmony and justice, then sign them up to vote, by God!!!

    But let's not pretend that these people are anything other than some very, very small minority.

    The vast majority of Americans who never get a high school diploma, spend their entire life working menial jobs and renting, and fall completely into the social safety net upon retirement aren't America's best and brightest by ANY means.

    They're just a pack of also rans who, in almost all cases, don't even know what Congressional district they live in.

    Dollars to donuts people that say this crap are not poor and doesn't even know what its like to be poor.
    I was born to an alcoholic father, raised on disability payments and government cheese, and overcame a learning disability to do everything I listed except own a business, which isn't to say I never will.

    I'm not privileged, I'm not gifted, and I don't have exceptional talents.

    If I can work my way through night school on GI Bill money then so can 85% of the people who fall into the same socioeconomic hole I was born into.

    And believe me, I know as well as anyone that it is a deep, dark hole.

    But it's not a bottomless pit by any means.

    And to preempt any mention of it, yeah, I know that there are people who just don't pack the goods to crawl out of the hole.

    I'm sure they're sweet, wonderful people, but we don't need them voting.
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    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    They're just a pack of also rans who, in almost all cases, don't even know what Congressional district they live in.

    I was born to an alcoholic father, raised on disability payments and government cheese, and overcame a learning disability to do everything I listed except own a business, which isn't to say I never will.

    I'm not privileged, I'm not gifted, and I don't have exceptional talents.

    If I can work my way through night school on GI Bill money then so can 85% of the people who fall into the same socioeconomic hole I was born into.

    And believe me, I know as well as anyone that it is a deep, dark hole.

    But it's not a bottomless pit by any means.

    And to preempt any mention of it, yeah, I know that there are people who just don't pack the goods to crawl out of the hole.

    I'm sure they're sweet, wonderful people, but we don't need them voting.
    Nice generalization there. I seem to remember my history classes where a group of people were treated in exactly the same way....and I'm not just talking about blacks. Never ended well.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    I know what I am about to say will be met with disdain.

    But most everyone here, both right and left, are interested in, and have studied politics. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here.

    It kinda gripes my ass that some person, who hasn't put in a minute of time studying and keeping up with the political landscape, get's to vote and cancel out the vote of someone who has been paying attention. If I had it my way, there would be a 20 question questionnaire a citizen would be required to pass in order to be allowed to vote.

    Low information dumb asses screw it up for everybody.

    Okay. Fire away y'all. LOL!

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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's not what I meant. I was talking about only informed voters.
    Informed by who and about what though ?

    If you look at who funds the campaigns , who presides over the debates , who is included/excluded , the parameters of debate etc etc....." informed " becomes something of a joke imo

    In our corporatocracies , plutocracies, polyarchies call it what you will , you will be given the choice between which faction of the business party you can vote for.

    If "democracy" ever threatened to become anywhere near meaningful they would just ban it.
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    Re: Is not voting... aka "low voter turnout"... a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Truth be known, in national and high level state elections, it really doesn't matter. Either way, we're screwed. The big money buys and forms our opinion's anyways. We don't really have a clue as to who we are actually voting for. They are all a product of publicity firms and marketing experts.
    It's very easy to research who is backing which candidate/measure. The problem is that hardly anyone knows how, much less takes the time to.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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