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Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 14 21.5%
  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 12 18.5%
  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 3 4.6%
  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 32 49.2%
  • Im a not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Im a not American, no.

    Votes: 4 6.2%

  • Total voters
    65
Oh yeah?

When? and by whom?

The last ditch was made this week and the Owe shows no signs of relenting...
so, please, with your great expertise in Canadian politics, the Canadian oil industry, China's growing needs, please indicate just how that's all going to happen and how old we are when it does.

We are two to five years away from a green light, another two for advanced engineering and ramp up to build the pipe, five years or more of construction...

When will the US say yes, and what will be the situation then, especially since a northern alternative is in the works.

The word among the pipeline industry is Obama will never say yes, nor will Clinton..so they're going elsewhere

What's with this injured tone? Reason why the pipeline got rejected was because your Prime Minister failed to live up to his promise of making the energy companies invest in long term improvements in the pipeline's safety and environmental friendliness. They didn't feel like they should have to, and he couldn't or didn't want to spend the political capital to force them. So instead he pulled a 180 and started issuing threats about selling oil to China and attempted to bully the Obama Administration into accepting a deal that didn't reflect the interests of the population that elected him.

You guys are 100% the bad guys on this issue.
 
Relevance to reality?

So the Democrats exercised their right to write a letter to the president, doesn't mean **** to me....unless you missed 95% of this thread, Democrats lie...a lot.

The only people who lie more than Democrats are Republicans!
 
And the reason that politicians lie is that because the other team does it our team can do it. Our morality is relative to the morality of others rather than a responsibility of all of us.

Self rule requires integrity to maintain itself. If we can't be honest with ourselves and honor the rules we've made for ourselves how can we possibly survive in relative freedom? We can't. Because at some point the cheaters will win power over us, with the blessing of at least some of us.
 
It was a bad night for dems and dem policies. Exit polls show Americans were not happy with the left.
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Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?

Please explain how the exit polls reflected this. I must have missed that. All the exit poll results I read, scrolling across the bottom of the screen seem to suggest the opposite. Ie: SSM, marijuana legalization, etc. All those "liberal" type issues seem to be supported by the majority of American voters. What were you referring to? Thanks in advance. Have a great weekend.
 
I wouldn't say so. The election results were lopsided, but not because scores of people rejected liberalism and voted the other way. Much of it was due to the fact that many who tend to support liberalism simply stayed home. Thus, voters rejected Obama, not liberalism as a whole. That being said, the brand is certainly damaged.

How did you come to such a conclusion? (see what I bolded)
 
I think that the Republicans have been doing well in the mid-term federal elections because most Democrats have no clue what a Senator or Representative actually does. In their authoritarian mindset they tend to think of the president as a king and senators and reps as his underlings. They don't know that the president cannot hire or fire them at will.

A notable exception is in 2006 when the Dems rode the truther wave into congress. The idiot demograph of the US went to the polls in droves and voted Democrat simply because they were convinced that a Republican president planted explosives in the WTC and other such idiotic nonsense.
 
I think that the Republicans have been doing well in the mid-term federal elections because most Democrats have no clue what a Senator or Representative actually does. In their authoritarian mindset they tend to think of the president as a king and senators and reps as his underlings. They don't know that the president cannot hire or fire them at will.

A notable exception is in 2006 when the Dems rode the truther wave into congress. The idiot demograph of the US went to the polls in droves and voted Democrat simply because they were convinced that a Republican president planted explosives in the WTC and other such idiotic nonsense.

The entirety of the above has got to be the result of an extended mescalin trip.
 
I think that the Republicans have been doing well in the mid-term federal elections because most Democrats have no clue what a Senator or Representative actually does. In their authoritarian mindset they tend to think of the president as a king and senators and reps as his underlings. They don't know that the president cannot hire or fire them at will.

A notable exception is in 2006 when the Dems rode the truther wave into congress. The idiot demograph of the US went to the polls in droves and voted Democrat simply because they were convinced that a Republican president planted explosives in the WTC and other such idiotic nonsense.

Anyone who thinks 9/11 trutherism was a driving force behind the 2006 midterms has their head up their ass.
 
The only people who lie more than Democrats are Republicans!

Pretty bold statement to make with the Gruber videos making the rounds, which basically dismisses the legitimacy of ObamaCare because of how it was written and how it was passed, as the complete and total fraud that it is.

Starting to think that it really is time to hit that reset button.
 
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Anyone who thinks 9/11 trutherism was a driving force behind the 2006 midterms has their head up their ass.
I think the ones who have their head up their ass are the ones who claim that when over 1/3rd of the population was idiot truthers, it couldn't possibly have had a significant effect on the elections.

Anti-government anger spurs 9/11 conspiracy belief

Byline: Thomas Hargrove and Guido H. Stempel III
Source: Scripps Howard News Service
Date: August 02, 2006
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.


SOURCE


If it wasn't for the 911 truther movement the Dems would have never took congress in 2006. The economy was absolutely booming with the Republicans in power. The poor were becoming middle class and the middle class was becoming wealthy.
 
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Pretty bold statement to make with the Gruber videos making the rounds, which basically dismisses the legitimacy of ObamaCare because of how it was written and how it was passed, as the complete and total fraud that it is.

Starting to think that it really is time to hit that reset button.
Did you vote for Mitt Romney who put Romneycare in Massachusetts when he was governor.
 
I think the ones who have their head up their ass are the ones who claim that when over 1/3rd of the population was idiot truthers, it couldn't possibly have had a significant effect on the elections.

Anti-government anger spurs 9/11 conspiracy belief

Byline: Thomas Hargrove and Guido H. Stempel III
Source: Scripps Howard News Service
Date: August 02, 2006
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.


SOURCE


If it wasn't for the 911 truther movement the Dems would have never took congress in 2006. The economy was absolutely booming with the Republicans in power.
The was a stupid war in Iraq then, that why they won.
 
Considering that many "liberal" ballot measures passed in states that (have) or did vote for GOP governors/senators, I'd say more like cognitive dissonance set in.
 
Please explain how the exit polls reflected this. I must have missed that. All the exit poll results I read, scrolling across the bottom of the screen seem to suggest the opposite. Ie: SSM, marijuana legalization, etc. All those "liberal" type issues seem to be supported by the majority of American voters. What were you referring to? Thanks in advance. Have a great weekend.

I said as much in the first sentence. Please read.
 
Anyone who thinks 9/11 trutherism was a driving force behind the 2006 midterms has their head up their ass.

He's hinting at the bizarre conspiracy theories of the left that started coming out right about then-when the left decided to make the wars political when they previously hadn't been.

Truthers were just one strain of left wing crazy back then.
 
He's hinting at the bizarre conspiracy theories of the left that started coming out right about then-when the left decided to make the wars political when they previously hadn't been.

Truthers were just one strain of left wing crazy back then.

Well, as we all know, if there is anybody who thinks the government would conduct a false flag operation and attack the American people, it's definitely liberals. It's not conservatives who think the government is out to get them. Yep! Truthers are liberals. Do you come with this stuff on the fly or do you just make it up like your made up claim that Iraq was peaceful in 2008?
 
Well, as we all know, if there is anybody who thinks the government would conduct a false flag operation and attack the American people, it's definitely liberals. It's not conservatives who think the government is out to get them. Yep! Truthers are liberals. Do you come with this stuff on the fly or do you just make it up like your made up claim that Iraq was peaceful in 2008?
Yes, some research shows that truthers to tend to be Democrats.More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
 
Well, as we all know, if there is anybody who thinks the government would conduct a false flag operation and attack the American people, it's definitely liberals. It's not conservatives who think the government is out to get them. Yep! Truthers are liberals. Do you come with this stuff on the fly or do you just make it up like your made up claim that Iraq was peaceful in 2008?

Truthers ,synonymous for blame Bush
 
Yes, some research shows that truthers to tend to be Democrats.More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

More of your half truths Grant? I guess Conservatives don't always have to tell the truth:

Opinion polls about 9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rasmussen Reports published the results of their poll May 4, 2007. According to their press release, "Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. White Americans are less likely than others to believe that either the 100President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. Young Americans are more likely than their elders to believe the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance.", "Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure." and "Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view."[18]

Democrats and Republicans differ on conspiracy theory beliefs - Public Policy Polling

The poll finds 28% of voters believe that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government, or New World Order. 34% of Republicans and 35% of independents believe in the New World Order threat compared to just 15% of Democrats.

Who carried out the 9/11 attacks according to those who believe there is such a thing as a NWO? Well, let's see...

http://911nwo.com/

The official cover story for 9/11 is a hoax, a myth, a fraud, and a lie that has been disproven many times over. In fact it is a deliberate insult to our intelligence.

9/11 was planned and carried out by top level military and intelligence agencies in the U.S., Britain, and Israel, with the complicity of various media outlets (Fox and CNN particularly) on behalf of the world’s financial power structure.

http://www.freecriticalthinking.org/wars-of-the-21st-century/409-wars-9-11-and-the-new-world-order

Prof. John McMurtry provides comprehensive insights into the motivation, strategy and implementation of the New World Order and its quasi-intellectual foundations. It is essential reading to understand the context of 9/11 and all that has happened since.

So we have 12% of Republicans who think 9/11 was an inside job and 18% of Independents (like yourself) who think so. We also have 34% of Republicans and 15% of Democrats who believe the NWO is real and that comes side by side with 9/11 being an inside job. Do you believe that makes it a "strain of leftist crazy" or a belief shared by people across all ideologies? ;) Be careful Grant, I wouldn't want you to tell another half truth.
 
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Truthers ,synonymous for blame Bush

Lol, or the NWO, which 34% of Republicans believe exists and coincidentally is behind the 9/11 attacks. :shrug:
 
I would say, not so much "rejected" but "counterbalanced".

Here in Massachusetts, it was very clear that the swing voter wanted to continue with the quite established (since Bill Weld) tradition of a libertarian-ish Republican Governor presiding over otherwise deep-blue political landscape.

Likewise, I guess, the thought of being stuck with the social-democrats (sorry, "liberal" gives me semantic indigestion in this context) in the White House played a bigger role than any actual ideological shifts.

However, the post-election behavior of Democrats was truly delightful, from my hostile POV.

Re-enthroning Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi?!

As they say, SERIOUSLY?!


And elevating a cheap demagogue like Elizabeth Warren to a position of...eh...well, whatever it is - nobody can quite explain, but everyone knows it's a big promotion....


If I were a Democrat, I would be VERY worried right now. The midterms is just another swing of the pendulum. But the party seems to be incapable of producing a single fresh face or a single new idea. Gay rights and immigration, all that is wonderful, but these skirmishes will be over very soon. In case nobody noticed, the younger Republican voter is "socially liberal", more often than not. And then - what will be left? The gerontocracy whose brains stopped accepting new information circa 1975, trying to impose their blurred vision of good society on unwilling and increasingly irritated fellow citizens?
 
More of your half truths Grant? I guess Conservatives don't always have to tell the truth:

Opinion polls about 9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Democrats and Republicans differ on conspiracy theory beliefs - Public Policy Polling
Who carried out the 9/11 attacks according to those who believe there is such a thing as a NWO? Well, let's see...
911 New World Order |

Wars, 9/11 and the New World Order
So we have 12% of Republicans who think 9/11 was an inside job and 18% of Independents (like yourself) who think so. We also have 34% of Republicans and 15% of Democrats who believe the NWO is real and that comes side by side with 9/11 being an inside job. Do you believe that makes it a "strain of leftist crazy" or a belief shared by people across all ideologies? ;) Be careful Grant, I wouldn't want you to tell another half truth.
You obviously went to a lot of effort with all those links but why not just boil it down to whatever it is you're trying to say by using a quote or two?
 
I would say, not so much "rejected" but "counterbalanced".

Here in Massachusetts, it was very clear that the swing voter wanted to continue with the quite established (since Bill Weld) tradition of a libertarian-ish Republican Governor presiding over otherwise deep-blue political landscape.

Likewise, I guess, the thought of being stuck with the social-democrats (sorry, "liberal" gives me semantic indigestion in this context) in the White House played a bigger role than any actual ideological shifts.

However, the post-election behavior of Democrats was truly delightful, from my hostile POV.

Re-enthroning Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi?!

As they say, SERIOUSLY?!


And elevating a cheap demagogue like Elizabeth Warren to a position of...eh...well, whatever it is - nobody can quite explain, but everyone knows it's a big promotion....


If I were a Democrat, I would be VERY worried right now. The midterms is just another swing of the pendulum. But the party seems to be incapable of producing a single fresh face or a single new idea. Gay rights and immigration, all that is wonderful, but these skirmishes will be over very soon. In case nobody noticed, the younger Republican voter is "socially liberal", more often than not. And then - what will be left? The gerontocracy whose brains stopped accepting new information circa 1975, trying to impose their blurred vision of good society on unwilling and increasingly irritated fellow citizens?

Im one of those socially liberal conservatives, good post.
 
Just my 2 cents but, as soon as The GOP can rid their party of the stereotypical birthers and truthers, "they're coming for your guns," nutter's, racist and bigoted minority, the Cruz, Bachmann, Limbaugh thinkers and Palin types, and replace their ranks with socially liberal voters and fiscal conservatives, who are less bent on dividing the masses by use of ludicrous propaganda, we can kiss the Democrat party good-bye for a long time, (until the pendulum returns anyways.)

My opinion is that America is ready for that. A third party won't do any good. ( A fart in a whirlwind.) The GOP needs to get back to what it use to be, once upon a time. Before the whacko hijacking.
 
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