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Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 14 21.5%
  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 12 18.5%
  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 3 4.6%
  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 32 49.2%
  • Im a not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Im a not American, no.

    Votes: 4 6.2%

  • Total voters
    65
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Yeah, yeah, liberals are devious and hide their true beliefs, the ones you truly know they hold even if they don't say it! So tell me, Kreskin, what exactly do I believe in that I'm "hiding"? This ought to be good for a few chuckles.

I have no idea, you rarely engage in actual discussion. Most of your posts as above are sarcastic with an emoticon added. Its not substantive. So one can only speculate.
 
I have no idea, you rarely engage in actual discussion. Most of your posts as above are sarcastic with an emoticon added. Its not substantive. So one can only speculate.

I've engaged in enough discussion here in the last 14 months for you to discern my "true beliefs." Stop backtracking and own your idiotic theory.
 
I've engaged in enough discussion here in the last 14 months for you to discern my "true beliefs." Stop backtracking and own your idiotic theory.

Like I said, its mostly reflexive attacks on conservatives and defense of liberals. I have no idea, but its reasonable to suspect you lean left. Its all good man, just own it.
 
Like I said, its mostly reflexive attacks on conservatives and defense of liberals. I have no idea, but its reasonable to suspect you lean left. Its all good man, just own it.

Of course I lean left, I've never said I don't. What the **** is your point?
 
Like I said, its mostly reflexive attacks on conservatives and defense of liberals. I have no idea, but its reasonable to suspect you lean left. Its all good man, just own it.

His lean is Libertarian-Left. Are you incapable of reading?
 
The media did indeed almost ignore this election cycle. Of course the cable news networks spent more time here as they always do, but broadcast news did very little-I think they knew how it was going to turn out.

Agreed.
 
My bigger point is that you dont argue issues. You make silly comments in response to them. Why not discuss ideas?

I argue issues all the time. I generally don't bother arguing issues with YOU, since pretty much all you do is boil everything down to "liberals bad" in the most garishly hackish way possible. Make yourself worth arguing issues with, and I'll argue issues with you.

Read what, the label he himself was just lamenting?

*sigh*

Go back and read the discussion again.
 
And whey did they not want too. I'll tell you, democrats were so down on Obama and his policies, they did not want to vote for a demarcate so they stayed home. Their no show vote was actually a vote for the republicans.

I voted for 2 republicans and one democrat.

The democrat was a challenger against a republican who struck me as an asshole, frankly.

He won anyway, of course.
 
And whey did they not want too. I'll tell you, democrats were so down on Obama and his policies, they did not want to vote for a demarcate so they stayed home. Their no show vote was actually a vote for the republicans.

If they had wanted to vote for a Republican, they would have shown up and voted for a Republican. The no-show vote was neither a vote for Democrats or Republicans. The idea that a no show is a vote for the Republican is asinine.
 
If they had wanted to vote for a Republican, they would have shown up and voted for a Republican. The no-show vote was neither a vote for Democrats or Republicans. The idea that a no show is a vote for the Republican is asinine.

According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.
 
According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.

That's more or less what I was saying. Yep, the independents definitely stayed home. I don't think either party can count their not voting as a vote for them.
 
According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.

Any thoughts on why Independents sat this one out? They could have voted either way, and it is interesting to see that they didn't bother. :think:
 
I wished I could have thanked you twice :mrgreen:

I remember when Chavez organized a free dental project for the poor in Venezuela , many of whom had never seen a dentist before. Some well to do Venezualans had no problem embracing a little bit of chavismo during that time and also visited the dentists in the programme.

I assume that when their tooty pegs where gleaming in the sunlight coming through the boardroom window they returned to their previous animosity :lol:

hee hee. Can you imagine it? They start complaining, and the dentists go and pull all those teeth they just fixed... that would be justice!
 
That's more or less what I was saying. Yep, the independents definitely stayed home. I don't think either party can count their not voting as a vote for them.

No way. Not voting is just that, those not voting are saying they really do not give a dang who wins.
 
Any thoughts on why Independents sat this one out? They could have voted either way, and it is interesting to see that they didn't bother. :think:

I think they were fed up with both parties. I myself came close to not voting after hearing all the lies from our two senate candidates were telling about each other. Both good people, but one would never believe that to listen to their campaign ads.

Among independents the Republican party has a 67% unfavorable rating, the Democratic a 64% unfavorable rating. Why vote for someone or a party you disdain? Neither party is liked, but I think both parties are oblivious to this fact.
 
If they had wanted to vote for a Republican, they would have shown up and voted for a Republican. The no-show vote was neither a vote for Democrats or Republicans. The idea that a no show is a vote for the Republican is asinine.

A democrat that always votes democrat and decides not to vote this time around for a democrat and stays home because of failed polices and leading from behind and all the scandals etc etc is a no vote for democrats and one that does not take a republican vote to offset. Didn't you know, it's called turnout. You know people love good leadership and good legislation, neither of which Obama has provided. And you got hammered not once but twice and like Obama he blames anything and everything except his lack of leadership and good legislation. Thus you go done in flames. But you're like Obama losing had nothing to do with leading from behind or no leadership at all and when he did try and provide leadership he was dead wrong. And the legislation he signed coming from his followers was a disaster.

So I dismiss your asinine comment as asinine.
 
According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.

Run the numbers all you want, but all you have to do is look at the vote count. Republicans won hands down over democrats and the win was across the board from governors, to the senate being taken over, to the house gaining more seats and in local state races republicans won the majority of the time. This is not the first shellacking under Obama's failed presidency but instead of a shellacking the atom bomb went off this time. But anything to find an excuse that losing was not because of failed policies.
 
Yes, I believe that liberalism was rejected by the vote.

If we consider the recently re-discovered (aka previously buried by the Biased Lame Stream Media) public statements by Jonathan Gruber:
“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass… Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”
Gruber: Stupidity of Americans Would Have Killed Obamacare | The Daily Caller

Mark Thiessen has, what appears to be, an accurate read of this.

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass,” Gruber said in the video.

“If it takes lying to us to get what they want done, they’re willing to do it,” Thiessen said.

Thiessen described Gruber as so condescending that “he actually wrote a comic book to explain ObamaCare because of course we’re not smart enough to read chapter books.” Thiessen noted that the book describes the individual mandate as “the spinach we have to eat in order to get the dessert that is fairly priced health insurance. “

Megyn Kelly said that she invited Gruber back on the show to defend himself tonight, but he said he wasn’t interested.

“You know what? We’re no longer interested in you, Mr. Gruber, and 28 Democrats who voted for that health care law just got fired by the American people because eventually they realized they had been lied to […] one by one, the misrepresentations have come out and the American people have had their say."
Megyn Kelly, Marc Thiessen Slam Video of ObamaCare Architect Gruber Admitting 'Lack of Transparency' | Fox News Insider

No one likes being lied to. No one.

I submit that the electorate has come to the same conclusions as Thiessen, that this president and this administration basically thinks the electorate as 'too stupid to know the difference', 'too stupid to know when they are being lied to', and aren't worthy of anything more than being lied to, and it is this attitude and these actions which have been resoundingly rejected at the polls.

Interestingly enough, this is very much the same attitude that you get every time someone has the temerity to question and challenge a policy proposed by a liberal.

The Obama administration, as long as it remains in office, will be a continuing reminder of this attitude of theirs, and this attitude will continue to be associated with the Democratic party and Democratic candidates, up until the end of the Obama administration.

So what do that do for the Democratic party's prospect for the 2016 elections, with the continuous reminder still in office until after the elections complete?

My advice to the Democrats / progressives / liberals, is you may have good ideas worthy of consideration, but you're not going to get much support from the electorate until you lose the attitude.

No one likes to be talked to in a condescending manner. No one.
No one likes being lied to. No one.
No one likes to be called stupid. No one.
No one likes being belittled. No one.
 
Lol !!

And where would that be ? Where are Liberal policies working effectively ?

Sure isn't here ? Or Europe, or Japan.

No, the election was a repudiation of all the hare brained left wing " solutions " and policies that have been pushed down Americas throat since 2008.

And yes, there are allot of intelectuals who're Liberals. I have some in my Family.

Their being " intellectuals " doesn't negate the failure of the ideology and the policies they promote.

They share their views with like minded intellectuals and live in a alternate reality, a bubble of their own making.
Where-to-be-born Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We don't even make the top 10 on that list, and we're primarily bested by more liberal countries.
This is a simple and reflexive counter to my comment. Top down, one size fits all, do it or pay a fine or meet g-men with guns isn't the solution. Never was.
My response pointed out the silliness of your position and you've given me pure hyperbole as a counter.
Because central planning has worked so well in the past...

Actually no, its been a disaster.
You're currently living in a country that has a record high stock market index and below 6% unemployment because of aspects of central planning.
You're in serious denial. We didn't win. You're kidding right.
You got a slight majority of a 37% turnout which is a record low. 19% of the population thinks you're the best choice. That seems presumptuous to take as a mandate about anything other than apathy and cynicism.
 
You got a slight majority of a 37% turnout which is a record low. 19% of the population thinks you're the best choice. That seems presumptuous to take as a mandate about anything other than apathy and cynicism.

The first time around Obama got a shellacking, as he called it. Now the bomb went off, republican governors control 32 states, the house now holds the most seats dating back to the 1920's, the senate is securely in the hands of the republicans. Further all across the country in local elections more seats went to the republicans not democrats.

Spin the numbers all you want. People love a president that leads and who signs good legislation, neither of which has taken place over the last 6 years.

If 19% of the population think republicans are the best choice then I would sure hate to see what they think of you liberals. You lost remember.
 
The first time around Obama got a shellacking, as he called it. Now the bomb went off, republican governors control 32 states, the house now holds the most seats dating back to the 1920's, the senate is securely in the hands of the republicans. Further all across the country in local elections more seats went to the republicans not democrats.

Spin the numbers all you want. People love a president that leads and who signs good legislation, neither of which has taken place over the last 6 years.

If 19% of the population think republicans are the best choice then I would sure hate to see what they think of you liberals. You lost remember.
Both parties got a minority of support from the population. The population didn't feel compelled to support either party.

You can read tea leaves, but I see mostly a cup of diluted water.
 
Run the numbers all you want, but all you have to do is look at the vote count. Republicans won hands down over democrats and the win was across the board from governors, to the senate being taken over, to the house gaining more seats and in local state races republicans won the majority of the time. This is not the first shellacking under Obama's failed presidency but instead of a shellacking the atom bomb went off this time. But anything to find an excuse that losing was not because of failed policies.

I think the biggest stat from exist polls was 78% of voters are worried about the economy in the years ahead. The parties can put all the spin on the election they want, but what happened boiled down to "It's the economy Stupid,"

Mandates, I do not think so unless the mandate is get this country moving again, i.e. the economy. Relieve worries about the future. But the question to Republicans is did they also get this message? Or do they think they have a mandate for their political agenda? In reality the Repubicans really didn't run on anything like the Contract with America back in 1994. they won because Obama fatigue as I put has set in. If the GOP congress concentrates on the economy a bright future is ahead, if not look for another 2006 and 2008 in 2016. Just keep in mind neither party is well liked:

44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

I have said all along that 2014 was a unique election, it was. The party with the lowest favorable rating and the highest unfavorable rating won. That hardly ever happens if it has happened.
 
I generally agree, and hope and change did eventually become nope and blame. But Obama is perhaps the most liberal president in modern US history. One thing he has always attempted to do, is make himself appear above the fray, as if he's not interested in getting dirty, all the while he's covered in mud. THAT is certainly fatiguing to me but his policies have proven unpopular as well, and what are they if not "liberal" policies?

Forcing people to pay insurance companies for coverage is nowhere near what I define as "liberal", nor is amnesty, where a "liberal" solution would first weigh fairness, and people who break the law are well down that list.

Obama is a Populist/Socialist. His health care reform was a promise first, THEN became policy, THEN became a legislative nightmare, consistent behaviors and result for populism. His policies, frankly are all over the map. His bail out package which seems forgotten was classic corporate welfare, and was a Nixonian lining of the lining of the pockets of those who paid $5000 for a rubber chicken dinner and a chance to glimpse the rock star candidate. Liberals, including me were horrified.

And in the end, his administration has been the antithesis of liberal, whose core ideals lie in compromise, with the belief it is better to get a thin slice of the pie today than no pie at all, which is the result of six years in office.

How well he wears the Teflon has baffled me. There is something about this guy that resonates in no way I have seen before. Most politicians would never have recovered from "If you like your plan...." but Americans rushed to forget it. He has to be the slimiest president since Nixon, he has lied, sent the IRS after his enemies and otherwise been Nixon, and he skates clean. Frustrating? It astonishes me.
 
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