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Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 14 21.5%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 12 18.5%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 32 49.2%

  • Im a not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a not American, no.

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Total voters
    65
Unrepresented said:
While hardly a ringing endorsement, at least the argument could be made that a plurality of voters thought the 2012 campaigns were better than "meh."

Voter cynicism wins, by convincing the rest of the voters to forgo their votes.

Liberal policies are destructive, short sighted and rebuked, except for where they're working effectively, are sustainable, and happily endorsed by both intellectuals and voters alike.
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Lol !!

And where would that be ? Where are Liberal policies working effectively ?

Sure isn't here ? Or Europe, or Japan.

No, the election was a repudiation of all the hare brained left wing " solutions " and policies that have been pushed down Americas throat since 2008.

And yes, there are allot of intelectuals who're Liberals. I have some in my Family.

Their being " intellectuals " doesn't negate the failure of the ideology and the policies they promote.

They share their views with like minded intellectuals and live in a alternate reality, a bubble of their own making.
 
Unrepresented said:
Because being an advocate of decentralized coercive powers over the individual is the American way.
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Because central planning has worked so well in the past...

Actually no, its been a disaster.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!

And where would that be ? Where are Liberal policies working effectively ?

Sure isn't here ? Or Europe, or Japan.

No, the election was a repudiation of all the hare brained left wing " solutions " and policies that have been pushed down Americas throat since 2008.

And yes, there are allot of intelectuals who're Liberals. I have some in my Family.

Their being " intellectuals " doesn't negate the failure of the ideology and the policies they promote.

They share their views with like minded intellectuals and live in a alternate reality, a bubble of their own making.
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Agreed. There are those on the left who have the capacity to think empirically. And in that circumstance its fairly straightforward to see that the stated intent never seems to match the outcome. It never lives up to what was promised and when that happens something, anything will be found to blame.
 
US Conservative said:
Often but not always. It can mean any of the various factions of the left, marxist or not. And even within that group of marxists, there is a divide between those who openly admit it (which I can respect), and those who wish to masquerade because they dont want the stigma.
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It's hardly surprising that many Marxists wouldn't wave a flag about them being so in the US though is it ? I mean when you consider how the left has been systematically destroyed , and violently so , for over a century.
 
oneworld2 said:
It's hardly surprising that many Marxists wouldn't wave a flag about them being so in the US though is it ? I mean when you consider how the left has been systematically destroyed , and violently so , for over a century.
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If by destroyed you mean flourishing in the media/Hollywood/Academia I suppose. For a group that is fairly small, they hold enormous influence. Too much, in my view.
 
oneworld2 said:
It's hardly surprising that many Marxists wouldn't wave a flag about them being so in the US though is it ? I mean when you consider how the left has been systematically destroyed , and violently so , for over a century.
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If by destroyed you mean flourishing in the media/Hollywood/Academia I suppose. For a group that is fairly small, they hold enormous influence. Too much, in my view.
 
Born Free said:
Well then, the dems in the last 6 yrs have done nothing, zip zero, noda for the middle class, in fact under Obama's liberal policies the middle class wages are lower then when he took office. You think that may have been part of the cause that the Dems got killed this past election.
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You're right, they haven't, which makes two major parties who have done dick-all for the middle class in the last 30 years or so.
 
Perotista said:
Midterms have averaged 37-38% of the electorate over the last 30 years. That is nothing new. Perhaps one should ask why. My son has never voted, the reason he states is Washington is going to do what Washington is going to do regardless of what the people want it to do or not to do.

Even in presidential election over the last 30 years the average of the electorate who voted is 55%.

If people do not care, vote, why worry about them? What they think is totally irrelevant to the process.
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Politicians love people like your son, IMO. Non-voters allow politicians to do whatever they want unchallenged.

Personally, I don't care what the turnout percentage is. I only care that the people who do vote have taken some time to research the candidates and issues. And really, that's the thing about freedom... you also have the freedom to not do something as well as to do something. I'd rather have the freedom to be left alone if I so choose.
 
radcen said:
Politicians love people like your son, IMO. Non-voters allow politicians to do whatever they want unchallenged.

Personally, I don't care what the turnout percentage is. I only care that the people who do vote have taken some time to research the candidates and issues. And really, that's the thing about freedom... you also have the freedom to not do something as well as to do something. I'd rather have the freedom to be left alone if I so choose.
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Roger that. I do think it is sad that so many people base their vote on bumper sticker slogans and the like. But that is life in the voting booth.
 
oneworld2 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought " liberalism " in the US meant socialism.

Seeing as socialism is rejected by both Democrats and Republicans the question seems somewhat strange to me.

As in the UK , you have a choice between various factions of The Business Party ( a one party system if you like ) and as such " liberalism"/ socialism will always be rejected .
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Reminds me of this -
Welcome to the Tea Party: Now Let’s Get Rid of All The Evil SOCIALISM In Your Life! | Americans Against the Tea Party

“I, _____________, do solemnly swear to uphold the principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
I will complain about the destruction of 1st Amendment Rights in this country, while I am duly being allowed to exercise my 1st Amendment Rights.
I will complain about the destruction of my 2nd Amendment Rights in this country, while I am duly being allowed to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights by legally but brazenly brandishing unconcealed firearms in public.
I will foreswear the time-honored principles of fairness, decency, and respect by screaming unintelligible platitudes regarding tyranny, Nazi-ism, and socialism at public town halls. Also.
I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life. I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist goods and services including but not limited to the following:
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
US Postal Service
Roads and Highways
Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
The US Railway System
Public Subways and Metro Systems
Public Bus and Light Rail Systems
Rest Areas on Highways
Sidewalks
All Government-Funded Local/State Projects
Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower, dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
Public and State Universities and Colleges
Public Primary and Secondary Schools
Sesame Street
Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
Public Museums
Libraries
Public Parks and Beaches
State and National Parks
Public Zoos
Unemployment Insurance
Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From Local, State or Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of them)
Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD’s ARPANET was the basis for subsequent computer networking
Foodstuffs, Meats, Produce and Crops That Were Grown With, Fed With, Raised With or That Contain Inputs From Crops Grown With Government Subsidies
Clothing Made from Crops (e.g. cotton) That Were Grown With or That Contain Inputs From Government Subsidies
If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will forgo my VA benefits and insist on paying for my own medical care
I will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of the following types of socialist locations, including but not limited to:
Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of American History
The socialist Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Monuments
The government-operated Statue of Liberty
The Grand Canyon
The socialist World War II and Vietnam Veterans Memorials
The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington National Cemetery
All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state or in Washington, DC
I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forgo their government salary and government-provided healthcare.
I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore socialist military of the United States of America.
I will boycott the products of socialist defense contractors such as GE, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for our socialist army.
I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice and their socialist employees.
Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist Social Security checks.
Upon reaching age 65, I will forgo Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance until I die.
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paddymcdougall said:
Reminds me of this -
Welcome to the Tea Party: Now Let’s Get Rid of All The Evil SOCIALISM In Your Life! | Americans Against the Tea Party
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I wished I could have thanked you twice :mrgreen:

I remember when Chavez organized a free dental project for the poor in Venezuela , many of whom had never seen a dentist before. Some well to do Venezualans had no problem embracing a little bit of chavismo during that time and also visited the dentists in the programme.

I assume that when their tooty pegs where gleaming in the sunlight coming through the boardroom window they returned to their previous animosity :lol:
 
radcen said:
Politicians love people like your son, IMO. Non-voters allow politicians to do whatever they want unchallenged.
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People like to argue that those that didn't vote have no right to complain and that they had some part to play in the result. No, those that voted are the only one who cannot complain, because they enabled it by participating.
 
US Conservative said:
You love the democrat party, Kobie.
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1. There's no such thing as the "Democrat Party."

2. No, I do not "love" the Democratic Party. Why must you continue to lie and insist I do? I realize that, when one such as yourself is addicted to the politics of demonization, that one must continue to create strawmen to attack and insist their political opponent holds beliefs that they do not, but it would be nice if you exercised a shred of honesty and ceased to do so.
 
Kobie said:
1. There's no such thing as the "Democrat Party."

2. No, I do not "love" the Democratic Party. Why must you continue to lie and insist I do? I realize that, when one such as yourself is addicted to the politics of demonization, that one must continue to create strawmen to attack and insist their political opponent holds beliefs that they do not, but it would be nice if you exercised a shred of honesty and ceased to do so.
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OK then lets put it this way, you are in the far left column.
 
Born Free said:
OK then lets put it this way, you are in the far left column.
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Not really. I'm not THAT far left, tbh. I'm pro-gun rights, I detest the administration's record on press freedom and surveillance (although I don't think either is a left-right issue), and I have a very hard stance regarding violent crime (although I am not pro-death penalty; however, my reasons for that are much more libertarian than liberal).

What is the insistence with labeling that so many self-identified righties seem to have? It's almost as if there's some mindset that if you can effectively label your political opponent as "far left" or "leftist" or whatever, that means that person can never be right and everything they say can be summarily dismissed.
 
Kobie said:
Not really. I'm not THAT far left, tbh. I'm pro-gun rights, I detest the administration's record on press freedom and surveillance (although I don't think either is a left-right issue), and I have a very hard stance regarding violent crime (although I am not pro-death penalty; however, my reasons for that are much more libertarian than liberal).

What is the insistence with labeling that so many self-identified righties seem to have? It's almost as if there's some mindset that if you can effectively label your political opponent as "far left" or "leftist" or whatever, that means that person can never be right and everything they say can be summarily dismissed.
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Pretty much.
 
Kobie said:
What is the insistence with labeling that so many self-identified righties seem to have? It's almost as if there's some mindset that if you can effectively label your political opponent as "far left" or "leftist" or whatever, that means that person can never be right and everything they say can be summarily dismissed.
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Part of the problem, Kobie is that lefties can be very slick about hiding what it is they actually believe in. They often are not forthcoming. They hide behind labels as it suits them.

Conservatives do this much less. As a result, it takes a few posts or screening questions to bring that liberalism to the surface. I think a very simple screening test, perhaps 3 questions or less can be formulated to ID liberals. Its not about labels btw, its about identifying useful patterns.
 
US Conservative said:
Didn't you say earlier that you thought they weren't rejected on tuesday? You appear to be suggesting it now.
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No, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again.

US Conservative said:
Part of the problem, Kobie is that lefties can be very slick about hiding what it is they actually believe in. They often are not forthcoming. They hide behind labels as it suits them.

Conservatives do this much less. As a result, it takes a few posts or screening questions to bring that liberalism to the surface. I think a very simple screening test, perhaps 3 questions or less can be formulated to ID liberals. Its not about labels btw, its about identifying useful patterns.
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:roll:

Yeah, yeah, liberals are devious and hide their true beliefs, the ones you truly know they hold even if they don't say it! So tell me, Kreskin, what exactly do I believe in that I'm "hiding"? This ought to be good for a few chuckles.
 
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