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Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 14 21.5%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 12 18.5%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 32 49.2%

  • Im a not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a not American, no.

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Total voters
    65
Fletch said:
I thought the liberal argument was that we already do live in a society rife with poverty and social inequality. Personally, I believe a society structured on rights, limited government, individual liberty and voluntary exchange and interaction is far preferable to anything you might have read.
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The whole idea of social inequality is a bunch of socialist gibberish anyway.
 
Hatuey said:
Hey, but if they vote against Republicans in 2016 (and have no doubt, they will), it won't be rejection of conservative ideas. He'll probably blame it on the media, Obama, low information voters and people hating the FFs. At no point will it be the fault of ****ty Republican politics which gave us a Democratic congress in 2006. ;)
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Repubs have made the mistake before, of thinking that sweeping a given election or two was a PERMANENT rejection of the philosophy and practice of liberalism... when in fact what it was, was the American voters saying "we don't like how things are going right now and we're pissed off and scared and we want somebody NEW to do something ELSE and see if THEY can fix this idiotic mess!"

The point being the new boss better be out front looking and sounding good real quick, and have some shiny new ideas ready to roll, and better be showing some results The People like within the next 2 years.... or The People will turn on a dime just as quick.
 
Goshin said:
Repubs have made the mistake before, of thinking that sweeping a given election or two was a PERMANENT rejection of the philosophy and practice of liberalism... when in fact what it was, was the American voters saying "we don't like how things are going right now and we're pissed off and scared and we want somebody NEW to do something ELSE and see if THEY can fix this idiotic mess!"

The point being the new boss better be out front looking and sounding good real quick, and have some shiny new ideas ready to roll, and better be showing some results The People like within the next 2 years.... or The People will turn on a dime just as quick.
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No, it couldn't possibly be a terrible campaign and uninspiring candidates. It must be liberalism. And pay absolutely no attention to the fact that the gained seats were in almost exclusively red states.
 
Hatuey said:
Can you tell us what these results are and how they differ from what the black community was like before the programs? I'm genuinely curious to see what numbers you use to make such claims. :)
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Out of wedlock births were much lower and marriage rates were much higher before WW2. The single biggest predictor of poverty is single parenthood. Now the state is the husband. Hows that turning out?
 
Kobie said:
Raising the minimum wage passed in a few states, and legal pot got passed in Oregon and DC. Liberal policies are fine.

Fraidy-cat Dem politicians (many of whom were blue Senators in red-to-purple states) got routed, and deservedly so.
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So a handful of initiatives that passed in lefty states, while the dems lost House, Senate, and Governorship's was "fine"?
 
Fletch said:
Not sure why you think that. From the looks of things now, Hillary will be the dem nominee. She is not that likeable, and not that great of a campaigner and she looks old and tired. She is beatable.
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She's already lost once to a junior senator from Illinois, and her track record under the Obama White House hasn't been great. On top of that her and her husbands presence during this last election season didn't help.
 
US Conservative said:
It was a bad night for dems and dem policies. Exit polls show Americans were not happy with the left.
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Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?
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No, it wasn't rejection in my view; the liberals stayed home and while I think it was bad idea for them to do so, I know that they are punishing the Dems for non action. Earlier on I thought they would ralley to keep the right away from a majority, but having watched enough of Pelosi and the do-nothings it doesn't surprise me, and Obama is nothing but a disapointment. So...

Now of course, the question is what will the right do? They have a lot to say, but just like years past - they do nothing for any of us. The 40 hour work week that Boener is going to restore for instance is misleading at best. Obabacare lowered the hours for benefits to 30 hours a week. Many people have worked only 36 hours a week for a long time now and still get benefits, so this 40 hour work week business is just taking money out your pocket and giving it back to the employer: that's the Republican way....

So, let's all see how the Republicans save 'Merica.
 
jet57 said:
No, it wasn't rejection in my view; the liberals stayed home and while I think it was bad idea for them to do so, I know that they are punishing the Dems for non action. Earlier on I thought they would ralley to keep the right away from a majority, but having watched enough of Pelosi and the do-nothings it doesn't surprise me, and Obama is nothing but a disapointment. So...

Now of course, the question is what will the right do? They have a lot to say, but just like years past - they do nothing for any of us. The 40 hour work week that Boener is going to restore for instance is misleading at best. Obabacare lowered the hours for benefits to 30 hours a week. Many people have worked only 36 hours a week for a long time now and still get benefits, so this 40 hour work week business is just taking money out your pocket and giving it back to the employer: that's the Republican way....

So, let's all see how the Republicans save 'Merica.
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I don't see staying home as an active signal of punishment so much as a sign of being too damn uninspired to participate.
 
US Conservative said:
The fatal flaw of liberalism, is that it must sacrifice the freedom of the individual for the state. Thats why even the term "liberal" is a misnomer. When it inevitably comes down to that choice-freedom or the state, the liberal chooses the state.

This is one of the skeletons in the closet the left needs to deal with. I'd like to think this election brought that home, but I doubt it-especially after the sad excuses Ive heard up to this point.
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It is more likely that the right wing's definition of a liberal is a myth.



1. Obama was re-elected in 2012 and hasn't really done anything since to make the mid-term election against liberalism. That would suggest the country is more liberal than it is conservative but that a lot of liberals didn't vote in the mid-term.

2. Liberal referendums such as minimum wage, legalizing pot, abortion, gun control were overwhelmingly voted for and the conservative ideas, issues and values were rejected.


This election was very weird. It seems that money won the election, not the people.

In my state of Utah, the Democrat, Doug Owen only had 100K to campaign with but his Republican contender, Mia Love got a lot of outside money and had over 4 million in campaign funds. Mia Love only won by about 4K votes. That's not an overwhelming victory by any standards. Dems in my area are feeling kinda bad because we didn't donate more to Owens campaign so he could've at least have had a commercial. That might have made the difference and put him over the top.
 
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No. Obama was rejected. Just as Bush was rejected in 06 and 08.
 
The Real Reason Republicans Won Big

Opinion:

Excerpt:

>" This midterm election wasn’t about politics; it was about our nation’s incompetent leadership, gross mismanagement and economic decline.

As a management consultant and former senior executive for more years than I care to admit, I’ve probably seen just about every kind of leadership dysfunction and management incompetence you can think of, but never all at once and in the same place -- Washington. For example:

From the president on down the executive branch of the federal government has to be the most impressive illustration of the Peter Principle and inbred cronyism in recorded history. The White House makes the Tower of Babel look like a model of organizational efficiency and management effectiveness. Just about every agency has had at least one major disaster or scandal.

The extreme lack of transparency, stonewalling and laundry list of cover-ups -- from Fast and Furious and the IRS influencing the 2012 election to Benghazi and the VA’s secret waiting list -- have made a mockery of congressional oversight of the executive branch and constitutional checks and balances.

The level of divisiveness is off the charts..."<

The Real Reason Republicans Won Big | Fox Business
 
Cardinal said:
I don't see staying home as an active signal of punishment so much as a sign of being too damn uninspired to participate.
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Same thing when you think about it. I don't blame any of 'em and I think that the dems had it coming to them.
 
Moot said:
1. Obama was re-elected in 2012 and hasn't really done anything since to make the mid-term election against liberalism. That would suggest the country is more liberal than it is conservative but that a lot of liberals didn't vote in the mid-term.
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The numbers certainly suggest that. As conservatives were highly energized this year, and voter turnout was between 4%-10% less than 2010, it's fair to assume that left leaning voters comprised the overwhelming percentage of that decrease.

Although I cannot imagine for the life of me how messages like "all hope is lost" and "just stay home" could possibly dampen anybody's spirits.
 
jet57 said:
Same thing when you think about it. I don't blame any of 'em and I think that the dems had it coming to them.
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Showing up is about being energized, and the need to punish is certainly the product of energy. "Punishment" votes would be left-of-center voters voting for independent candidates with a small potential for being elected, or outright writing in their own names.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If you think Americans have rejected liberalism then all I can say is take away Medicare, SSI, or Social Security and see what happens...
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Once addicted is awfully hard to break the cycle of addiction, especially when it's money.
On the other hand, perhaps it's a matter of degree, where Medicare and SSI, or Social Security aren't so bad, but to go further than that is.
 
Moot said:
It is more likely that the right wing's definition of a liberal is a myth.



1. Obama was re-elected in 2012 and hasn't really done anything since to make the mid-term election against liberalism. That would suggest the country is more liberal than it is conservative but that a lot of liberals didn't vote in the mid-term.

2. Liberal referendums such as minimum wage, legalizing pot, abortion, gun control were overwhelmingly voted for and the conservative ideas, issues and values were rejected.


This election was very weird. It seems that money won the election, not the people.

In my state of Utah, the Democrat, Doug Owen only had 100K to campaign with but his Republican contender, Mia Love got a lot of outside money and had over 4 million in campaign funds. Mia Love only won by about 4K votes. That's not an overwhelming victory by any standards. Dems in my area are feeling kinda bad because we didn't donate more to Owens campaign so he could've at least have had a commercial. That might have made the difference and put him over the top.
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ahh ok.
 
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Cardinal said:
Why start a thread asking a question if that's how you're going to respond to somebody's answer? Why even get out of bed?
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Theres just many logical shortcomings in that post. To hash it out would require me spending the rest of my morning explaining, it would be a waste of my time. Im just not willing to do that.
 
Cardinal said:
Showing up is about being energized, and the need to punish is certainly the product of energy. "Punishment" votes would be left-of-center voters voting for independent candidates with a small potential for being elected, or outright writing in their own names.
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Sure; showing up and getting in there is being energized to participate. I think that not showing up and participating with your team is a way of punishing your team - because you don't like them for some reason - pick one. Pundits and journalists have been saying however that when there is very low voter turnout, as in this case, the Republicans usually win, which is what has happened. The same thing happened to Clinton in '96: he had signed NAFTA and there was some other stuff ( I can't remember now: Lewenski came in '98), and Clinton had to live with it too. Same thing happened to GW (no majority for him) and Reagn had to deal with a split.

Nothing big to me. Like I said; there's going to be a test now and that will lead the Repulicans into 2016. Hillary I'm afraid is going to be a shoe in, so what she gets will be very interesting.
 
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