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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left said this constantly, Americans saw through it. I hold my govt to a higher standard, apparently.


    Iran-Contra Indictments:

    Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense, was indicted on two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice on June 16, 1992. [66] Weinberger received a pardon from George H. W. Bush on December 24, 1992, before he was tried.[67] [Wow, what a high standard...]
    William Casey, Head of the CIA. Thought to have conceived the plan, was stricken ill hours before he would testify. Reporter Bob Woodward reported Casey knew of and approved the plan.[68]
    Robert C. McFarlane, National Security Adviser, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years of probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[69]
    Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[70]
    Alan D. Fiers, Chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force, convicted of withholding evidence and sentenced to one year probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.
    Clair George, Chief of Covert Ops-CIA, convicted on two charges of perjury, but pardoned by President George H. W. Bush before sentencing.[71]
    Oliver North, member of the National Security Council convicted of accepting an illegal gratuity, obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents, but the ruling was overturned since he had been granted immunity.[72]
    Fawn Hall, Oliver North's secretary, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for her testimony.[73]
    Jonathan Scott Royster, Liaison to Oliver North, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for his testimony.[74]
    National Security Advisor John Poindexter was convicted of five counts of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, perjury, defrauding the government, and the alteration and destruction of evidence. The Supreme Court upheld a lower court ruling that overturned these convictions.[75]
    Duane Clarridge. An ex-CIA senior official, he was indicted in November 1991 on seven counts of perjury and false statements relating to a November 1985 shipment to Iran. Pardoned before trial by President George H. W. Bush.[76][77]
    Richard V. Secord. Ex-major general in the Air Force who organized the Iran arms sales and Contra aid. He pleaded guilty in November 1989 to making false statements to Congress and was sentenced to two years of probation.[78][79]
    Albert Hakim. A businessman, he pleaded guilty in November 1989 to supplementing the salary of North by buying a $13,800 fence for North with money from "the Enterprise", which was a set of foreign companies Hakim used in Iran-Contra. In addition, Swiss company Lake Resources Inc., used for storing money from arms sales to Iran to give to the Contras, plead guilty to stealing government property.[80] Hakim was given two years of probation and a $5,000 fine, while Lake Resources Inc. was ordered to dissolve.[78][81]

    And that's just one scandal!

    How many indictments in the Obama administration?
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Democrats' favorable rating at a record-low 36%
    Democratic Party lost support among Democrats, independents
    Republican Party's favorable rating remains steady at 42%
    So...the GOP should have no trouble overturning Obamacare? Explode the deficit by slashing taxes on the already rich (see, e.g., Kansas, state of)? Gutting Medicare and Social Security? Banning abortions and contraception? Stripping the EPA of all power and returning it to the tender mercies of Exxon/Mobile?

    I guess we'll see.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    So...the GOP should have no trouble overturning Obamacare? Explode the deficit by slashing taxes on the already rich (see, e.g., Kansas, state of)? Gutting Medicare and Social Security? Banning abortions and contraception? Stripping the EPA of all power and returning it to the tender mercies of Exxon/Mobile?

    I guess we'll see.
    The ACA will likely not be overturn because its namesake holds veto authority. And the deficit isn't as big as it is because we aren't taxing people enough-but rather because we spend too much (like entitlements for votes-our biggest expense).

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The ACA will likely not be overturn because its namesake holds veto authority. And the deficit isn't as big as it is because we aren't taxing people enough-but rather because we spend too much (like entitlements for votes-our biggest expense).
    Aw, I'm so disappointed that you have nothing to say about Iran-Contra. As a big Reagan fan I thought sure you'd be all full of interesting tidbits about it.

    So our biggest expense is entitlements-for-votes, eh? So overturn Social Security! And Medicare! Come on! You own the House and the Senate now! Go for it! Let's see how popular that would be! And ban contraception, just like in some fundamentalist Muslim countries! I bet you're just giddy about all the possibilities, aren't you!?!

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Aw, I'm so disappointed that you have nothing to say about Iran-Contra. As a big Reagan fan I thought sure you'd be all full of interesting tidbits about it.

    So our biggest expense is entitlements-for-votes, eh? So overturn Social Security! And Medicare! Come on! You own the House and the Senate now! Go for it! Let's see how popular that would be! And ban contraception, just like in some fundamentalist Muslim countries! I bet you're just giddy about all the possibilities, aren't you!?!
    What dont you understand about the word veto?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Liberalism was defeated I don't know you could refute that. Almost every Liberal Democrat was defeated.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post


    Iran-Contra Indictments:

    Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense, was indicted on two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice on June 16, 1992. [66] Weinberger received a pardon from George H. W. Bush on December 24, 1992, before he was tried.[67] [Wow, what a high standard...]
    William Casey, Head of the CIA. Thought to have conceived the plan, was stricken ill hours before he would testify. Reporter Bob Woodward reported Casey knew of and approved the plan.[68]
    Robert C. McFarlane, National Security Adviser, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years of probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[69]
    Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[70]
    Alan D. Fiers, Chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force, convicted of withholding evidence and sentenced to one year probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.
    Clair George, Chief of Covert Ops-CIA, convicted on two charges of perjury, but pardoned by President George H. W. Bush before sentencing.[71]
    Oliver North, member of the National Security Council convicted of accepting an illegal gratuity, obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents, but the ruling was overturned since he had been granted immunity.[72]
    Fawn Hall, Oliver North's secretary, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for her testimony.[73]
    Jonathan Scott Royster, Liaison to Oliver North, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for his testimony.[74]
    National Security Advisor John Poindexter was convicted of five counts of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, perjury, defrauding the government, and the alteration and destruction of evidence. The Supreme Court upheld a lower court ruling that overturned these convictions.[75]
    Duane Clarridge. An ex-CIA senior official, he was indicted in November 1991 on seven counts of perjury and false statements relating to a November 1985 shipment to Iran. Pardoned before trial by President George H. W. Bush.[76][77]
    Richard V. Secord. Ex-major general in the Air Force who organized the Iran arms sales and Contra aid. He pleaded guilty in November 1989 to making false statements to Congress and was sentenced to two years of probation.[78][79]
    Albert Hakim. A businessman, he pleaded guilty in November 1989 to supplementing the salary of North by buying a $13,800 fence for North with money from "the Enterprise", which was a set of foreign companies Hakim used in Iran-Contra. In addition, Swiss company Lake Resources Inc., used for storing money from arms sales to Iran to give to the Contras, plead guilty to stealing government property.[80] Hakim was given two years of probation and a $5,000 fine, while Lake Resources Inc. was ordered to dissolve.[78][81]

    And that's just one scandal!

    How many indictments in the Obama administration?
    Ancient history.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Liberalism was defeated I don't know you could refute that. Almost every Liberal Democrat was defeated.
    Liberalism was defeated along with it's condescending 'smartest in the room', 'smarter than you' attitude.

    No one likes to be lied to. No one.
    No one likes to be called stupid. No one.
    No one likes to be conned. No one.

    This will likely hang around the 2016 Democratic campaigners necks like a milestone, as it should.

    If the liberalism ideas are so smart and so good, why is it that the only way to get them passed is to lie about them and obfuscate them?
    Don't the smartest ideas generally get more support and not less?
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Liberalism was defeated I don't know you could refute that. Almost every Liberal Democrat was defeated.
    Indeed. Liberals and the democrat party are out of ideas.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Ancient history.
    Still happened.
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