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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Actually I have to amend my earlier comment, there is a scenario where the Keystone XL will get a green light. As you may be aware Stephen Harper has joined the fray in Iraq, we have training troops on the ground, which is a political liability for the Conservatives, Canadians tend to fire politicians who go to war, Jean Chretien got re-elected because he told Bush to **** off on Iraq.

    Harper and Obama do not like each other, Harper is a deep thinker, a practical ideologue and a policy wonk where Obama is all show and no go. So, we as we speculate why Harper payed puppet, there has to be a reason from which he or Canada or both get something in return, no business is done internationally without some hog trading. The typical return is that the White House gives us a lot of defense work [we hate war but have no problem making money off it], but there is speculation this favor is much, much pricier...that an OK of the XL is part of the package.

    Naturally dubious about such things, I have to ask whether Obama can engage in the kind of moral gymnastics and reverse himself on something he has made a trump card for six years. I don't see it happening, but I nor would I be surprised. My best bet is he made the deal, but will renege on it
    Interesting. Historically Obama has proven he wont change course.

    I meant to ask, whats the mood in Canada after that attack a few weeks back? Is it business as usual?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    All true to a certain extent. The same ABC exits polls showed 59% of the voters were dissatisfied with President Obama and his policies which included 23% that were plain angry in that group. Only 37% said they were satisfied with the president. Also 32% said their voted was cast against Obama while only 20% said they vote was in support of Obama.

    From what I hear Dirty Harry now plans to bring up the Keystone Pipeline for a vote in the lame duck session. He is only doing that to help Landrieu in her runoff election in December.

    But before the Republicans jump up and down with glee and start proclaiming a mandate, they should look at this:

    Half of U.S. voters say the Republican takeover of Congress was a repudiation of President Obama’s party rather than an endorsement of the GOP. Democrats don’t disagree.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 30% of Likely U.S. Voters believe last week’s election results were more a vote for the Republicans than a vote against the Democrats. Forty-nine percent (49%) disagree and say the election results were a vote against the Democrats instead. But one-in-five (21%) aren’t sure.

    Voters See Election As Rejection of Democrats - Rasmussen Reports™

    I think what the voters want is for someone in Washington to do something about the economy and jobs. Forget healthcare, immigration, all these political party agendas and concentrate on the voters wishes and wants. If the Republicans do this, they will do good in 2016. If the Republicans also ignore the people they will surely lose in 2016 as the people will give the other party a chance to get it right and so it goes.
    I agree with everything said, in bold is exactly how I saw it, as the public is fed up with Obama's policies. I have not heard that Dingy Harry is going to bring up Keystone, that just shows how much the voters repudiated their polices. Now after losing Dingy is going to bring it for a vote, what a hypocrite. He's on the losing end, thus he's trying to make amends. What a jerk. Take away some of the Pubs thunder.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Interesting. Historically Obama has proven he wont change course.

    I meant to ask, whats the mood in Canada after that attack a few weeks back? Is it business as usual?

    The one on Parliament Hill? Sort of business as usual, but with a major exception .....for us.

    We don't panic easily in fact we kind of see you guys as overly reactive, thus my coining of the term "Excited States of America" The conservative government tried to pull a David Cameron and capitalize on it's 'tough on crime" agenda, but we collectively yawned and wondered if a Canadian team can even make it to our birthright Stanley Cup play offs....hockey is the only really important issue here...that and beer prices.

    But the major, revolutionary change is that our Parliamentary Security Force will henceforth be armed and have body armor. That's kind of radical since we're still adjusting to the idea of customs agents with guns...and even the RCMP have to have them covered with a safety flap...and it is illegal for Canadian Forces members from appearing in public in battle gear without an executive warrant.

    But, Harper did return from China to attend our Memorial services, but we take them much more seriously here, wearing poppies etc., and he did mention the soldiers who died in that. As a story though it has dropped off the headlines.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Ah, there need be no bill for the Keystone XL pipeline. It has been green lighted by the International Joint US-Canada Committee on Water rights, the Departments of Interior, Commerce, State and had twice been reviewed and approved by the EPA. \

    Obama has simply refused to let the deal go.

    I doubt it will EVER happen now. TransCanada Pipeline is a consortium of many companies including SMC Lavalin who have since turned their attention to a much more profitable plan "B", a pipeline through the Rockies to Prince Rupert and the Pacific, eliminating the need for Keystone for 20 to 50 years. It is shorter and can be built in one third the time.

    That's what happens when you say "no".

    It will mean 10,000 jobs to engineer the project, and 30,000 more to build it, all in Canada.


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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Ah, there need be no bill for the Keystone XL pipeline. It has been green lighted by the International Joint US-Canada Committee on Water rights, the Departments of Interior, Commerce, State and had twice been reviewed and approved by the EPA. \

    Obama has simply refused to let the deal go.

    I doubt it will EVER happen now. TransCanada Pipeline is a consortium of many companies including SMC Lavalin who have since turned their attention to a much more profitable plan "B", a pipeline through the Rockies to Prince Rupert and the Pacific, eliminating the need for Keystone for 20 to 50 years. It is shorter and can be built in one third the time.

    That's what happens when you say "no".

    It will mean 10,000 jobs to engineer the project, and 30,000 more to build it, all in Canada.
    We are too good of friends for us not to give the green light to keystone, this is all Obama's doing stopping the line and we all know that. And Canada are too good of friends to not build it. There is no good to come by us not giving the green light and Canada not building it. It will happen for political reasons if not financial.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?


    Relevance to reality?

    So the Democrats exercised their right to write a letter to the president, doesn't mean **** to me....unless you missed 95% of this thread, Democrats lie...a lot.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I agree with everything said, in bold is exactly how I saw it, as the public is fed up with Obama's policies. I have not heard that Dingy Harry is going to bring up Keystone, that just shows how much the voters repudiated their polices. Now after losing Dingy is going to bring it for a vote, what a hypocrite. He's on the losing end, thus he's trying to make amends. What a jerk. Take away some of the Pubs thunder.
    Dirty Harry is trying to help Landrieu in her runoff next month in Louisiana by bringing up the Keystone. All along Dirty Harry's agenda was to protect his leadership position by ensuring no tough votes would be brought up to force red state democratic senator hands. Thus his close to 300 passed house bills tabled.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I agree with everything said, in bold is exactly how I saw it, as the public is fed up with Obama's policies. I have not heard that Dingy Harry is going to bring up Keystone, that just shows how much the voters repudiated their polices. Now after losing Dingy is going to bring it for a vote, what a hypocrite. He's on the losing end, thus he's trying to make amends. What a jerk. Take away some of the Pubs thunder.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    State and the Stateswoman | Foreign Affairs

    Didn't fail as SOS. Mmmm. OK. If you say so.

    Doesn't look that way to me.
    Your source is membership only, so I couldn't read the article. Having said that; there is nothing in your points that suggest a failure, moreover, it's not like we've had nothing to do while she was SOS. So you assertion is kind of lost on me.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Your source is membership only, so I couldn't read the article. Having said that; there is nothing in your points that suggest a failure, moreover, it's not like we've had nothing to do while she was SOS. So you assertion is kind of lost on me.
    Odd. I click the link and it takes to the complete article, no login, nothing, never logged in, never registered. However, I hesitate to post the entire article here not wanting to run afoul of the rules or copyright. However, the most poignant and short excerpt may suffice.

    even an admirer must acknowledge that few big problems were solved on her watch. There was no equivalent of Ambassador George F. Kennan's development of the containment doctrine and associated initiatives, such as the creation of NATO during the Cold War; Secretary of State Henry Kissinger's paving the way for the United States' opening to China; or Secretary of State James Baker's push for German reunification after the fall of the Berlin Wall. In part, this is because there is no single overriding threat or issue today. Further, the problems that do exist might just not be ripe for major initiatives. But the fact remains that there was no big historic breakthrough. And Clinton gained little ground in the battles nearest to her heart -- ending global poverty, tamping down civil conflict in Africa, improving the status of women around the world -- perhaps because they require patient diligence more than big speeches or doctrines. But still, Clinton cannot claim a signature accomplishment just yet.
    Bottom line, she didn't solve any of the existing problems, didn't accomplish much of anything except log quite a number of air miles (Rice traversed a total of 1,006,846 miles, Clinton a mere 956,733), but then, she didn't embarrass herself either, well with the exception of reducing the security levels for the mission in Benghazi.

    I think you'd agree that this would be an characterized as unremarkable.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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