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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Interesting results from gallup, regarding the rejection of the democrat party...
    Democratic Party Favorable Rating Falls to Record Low



    Democrats' favorable rating at a record-low 36%
    Democratic Party lost support among Democrats, independents
    Republican Party's favorable rating remains steady at 42%

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The way I see it the republicans have seen it, but Dingy Harry would never let anything the Pubs wanted a vote on come to the floor. That is a fact. Republicans has always been for a growing economy, whereas the Dems are all about entitlements and free stuff, they have never been about jobs. Dems are hell bent on regulation and the killing of jobs EPA, like killing all the coal jobs and not drilling on government lands and job killing Obamacare, the list goes on and on.

    I suggest the first bill that hits Obama's desk is Keystone, of which the liberals hate so much no matter how many jobs are lost. See my point.

    You quote the parties approval and unfavorably ratings and I don't question the numbers. However what was up for election was Obama's policies that were supported by the democrats that voted for his policies in the 95+ % range. That is overwhelming support for Obama's policies that were clearly rejected by the American people. Yes neither party is well liked but they really hate Obama's policies and thus republicans were voted in to stop him and his party of failure.

    We now have to wait and see what the Pubs pass in legislation that hits Obama deck, I would bet it will be legislation to grow the economy, by keystone, fixing the job killing parts of Obamacare, pulling back the EPA and regulations, etc. If they do a good job they will have the advantage in 2016. People want good legislation and jobs, but for the past 6 years Obama and clan have been a complete failure. Plus they helped the rich get richer while the middle class are making less, they made the financial inequality worse. Obama and clan shoved failure in every category and scandals in the peoples face. The people have had enough.

    Now will the GOP turn things around by putting legislation the people want and put Obama on the hot seat to sign or veto. The GOP now has the wind at their back, if they **** it up they have no one to blame.


    Ah, there need be no bill for the Keystone XL pipeline. It has been green lighted by the International Joint US-Canada Committee on Water rights, the Departments of Interior, Commerce, State and had twice been reviewed and approved by the EPA. \

    Obama has simply refused to let the deal go.

    I doubt it will EVER happen now. TransCanada Pipeline is a consortium of many companies including SMC Lavalin who have since turned their attention to a much more profitable plan "B", a pipeline through the Rockies to Prince Rupert and the Pacific, eliminating the need for Keystone for 20 to 50 years. It is shorter and can be built in one third the time.

    That's what happens when you say "no".

    It will mean 10,000 jobs to engineer the project, and 30,000 more to build it, all in Canada.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Theres a part of me that would love to see the dems get what they gave, but most conservatives/republicans believe in playing by the rules (and that competition is a good thing). Contrast this with the lies and distortions of the left-anything to win, anytime. I wont forget the tactics employed by the left this election when they were cornered. I wont forget the lies of POTUS and the writer of the ACA. The truth isn't necessary. The ends justify the means.

    So what I expect is the republicans continuing to play by the rules while the left continues the tactics its been using for years.


    LOL, and it's always the Dems yelling "cheaters".

    As a strategist, I would recommend they double down on strictly adhering to the rules, and even get more clean where there are grey areas. My read is that this vote was about that exact topic, the people are tired of being manipulated. When the architect of the ACA admits they deliberately deceived with “This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that." it's bordering on the grotesque.
    If I am wrong and the replies of the Obama trolls in here is representative of the over all attitude of the US, then you are doomed as the minimum morality is corrupt to the core.

    I do not believe it is and that sooner or later the nation will find the God-given righteous indignation as is our right and kick some ass. I hope the results of this election are just the beginning and repeat the caveat that Republicans lie to themselves if they see it as a clear victory for them.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    LOL, and it's always the Dems yelling "cheaters".

    As a strategist, I would recommend they double down on strictly adhering to the rules, and even get more clean where there are grey areas. My read is that this vote was about that exact topic, the people are tired of being manipulated. When the architect of the ACA admits they deliberately deceived with “This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that." it's bordering on the grotesque.
    If I am wrong and the replies of the Obama trolls in here is representative of the over all attitude of the US, then you are doomed as the minimum morality is corrupt to the core.

    I do not believe it is and that sooner or later the nation will find the God-given righteous indignation as is our right and kick some ass. I hope the results of this election are just the beginning and repeat the caveat that Republicans lie to themselves if they see it as a clear victory for them.
    Our left does not value truth and accountability-even in its own politicians. This is part of the destructive nature of liberalism-decry virtue, defend those with no moral restraint. Why? Because it leads to a complacent mass who allows its leaders to do what they like.

    In another thread here today an ACA supporter (lefty) was lamenting her rates going up, and when I asked if she felt any remorse or anything else about the millions of people (who didn't support the aca) going through this mess right now-and she replied she didn't see how it mattered how she felt.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Ah, there need be no bill for the Keystone XL pipeline. It has been green lighted by the International Joint US-Canada Committee on Water rights, the Departments of Interior, Commerce, State and had twice been reviewed and approved by the EPA. \

    Obama has simply refused to let the deal go.

    I doubt it will EVER happen now. TransCanada Pipeline is a consortium of many companies including SMC Lavalin who have since turned their attention to a much more profitable plan "B", a pipeline through the Rockies to Prince Rupert and the Pacific, eliminating the need for Keystone for 20 to 50 years. It is shorter and can be built in one third the time.

    That's what happens when you say "no".

    It will mean 10,000 jobs to engineer the project, and 30,000 more to build it, all in Canada.
    Do you think keystone would be off the table in 2 years?

    Im reminded of this...
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our left does not value truth and accountability-even in its own politicians. This is part of the destructive nature of liberalism-decry virtue, defend those with no moral restraint. Why? Because it leads to a complacent mass who allows its leaders to do what they like.

    In another thread here today an ACA supporter (lefty) was lamenting her rates going up, and when I asked if she felt any remorse or anything else about the millions of people (who didn't support the aca) going through this mess right now-and she replied she didn't see how it mattered how she felt.
    Now that is funny coming form the party of Nixon. Then there is Senator wide stance and Mark Sanford who hiked the Appalachian Trail, also known as spending time with your mistress, and he got re-elected. Truth and accountability in action. If you look at the last few presidencies and the congressmen who have been arrested and convicted of a crime its pretty even. Its quite hypocritical for conservatives to claim moral superiority. I'm sure it won't stop you from continuing but I will try and point out the BS when I see it.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our left does not value truth and accountability-even in its own politicians. This is part of the destructive nature of liberalism-decry virtue, defend those with no moral restraint. Why? Because it leads to a complacent mass who allows its leaders to do what they like.

    In another thread here today an ACA supporter (lefty) was lamenting her rates going up, and when I asked if she felt any remorse or anything else about the millions of people (who didn't support the aca) going through this mess right now-and she replied she didn't see how it mattered how she felt.
    Are you serious!

    I have worked with practicing addicts with less self denial than that.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Do you think keystone would be off the table in 2 years?

    Im reminded of this...
    I would guess that at least the a Republican president would have to make a case FOR it now. A lot of money has been burned on the principle engineering and the principles have a better offer on the table. There is a huge, media-fed opposition, but it is the usual eco-rent-a-crowd we destroyed in the last provincial vote and natives, who come around when the money arives...same case there with hold outs.

    So, my guess would be no unless a new Canadian government says no. As that is more than likely to be the Liberal Party of Canada, they will, as usual, be opposed and then find a "safe" way to do it.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The way I see it the republicans have seen it, but Dingy Harry would never let anything the Pubs wanted a vote on come to the floor. That is a fact. Republicans has always been for a growing economy, whereas the Dems are all about entitlements and free stuff, they have never been about jobs. Dems are hell bent on regulation and the killing of jobs EPA, like killing all the coal jobs and not drilling on government lands and job killing Obamacare, the list goes on and on.

    I suggest the first bill that hits Obama's desk is Keystone, of which the liberals hate so much no matter how many jobs are lost. See my point.

    You quote the parties approval and unfavorably ratings and I don't question the numbers. However what was up for election was Obama's policies that were supported by the democrats that voted for his policies in the 95+ % range. That is overwhelming support for Obama's policies that were clearly rejected by the American people. Yes neither party is well liked but they really hate Obama's policies and thus republicans were voted in to stop him and his party of failure.

    We now have to wait and see what the Pubs pass in legislation that hits Obama deck, I would bet it will be legislation to grow the economy, by keystone, fixing the job killing parts of Obamacare, pulling back the EPA and regulations, etc. If they do a good job they will have the advantage in 2016. People want good legislation and jobs, but for the past 6 years Obama and clan have been a complete failure. Plus they helped the rich get richer while the middle class are making less, they made the financial inequality worse. Obama and clan shoved failure in every category and scandals in the peoples face. The people have had enough.

    Now will the GOP turn things around by putting legislation the people want and put Obama on the hot seat to sign or veto. The GOP now has the wind at their back, if they **** it up they have no one to blame.
    All true to a certain extent. The same ABC exits polls showed 59% of the voters were dissatisfied with President Obama and his policies which included 23% that were plain angry in that group. Only 37% said they were satisfied with the president. Also 32% said their voted was cast against Obama while only 20% said they vote was in support of Obama.

    From what I hear Dirty Harry now plans to bring up the Keystone Pipeline for a vote in the lame duck session. He is only doing that to help Landrieu in her runoff election in December.

    But before the Republicans jump up and down with glee and start proclaiming a mandate, they should look at this:

    Half of U.S. voters say the Republican takeover of Congress was a repudiation of President Obama’s party rather than an endorsement of the GOP. Democrats don’t disagree.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 30% of Likely U.S. Voters believe last week’s election results were more a vote for the Republicans than a vote against the Democrats. Forty-nine percent (49%) disagree and say the election results were a vote against the Democrats instead. But one-in-five (21%) aren’t sure.

    Voters See Election As Rejection of Democrats - Rasmussen Reports™

    I think what the voters want is for someone in Washington to do something about the economy and jobs. Forget healthcare, immigration, all these political party agendas and concentrate on the voters wishes and wants. If the Republicans do this, they will do good in 2016. If the Republicans also ignore the people they will surely lose in 2016 as the people will give the other party a chance to get it right and so it goes.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Do you think keystone would be off the table in 2 years?

    Im reminded of this...
    Actually I have to amend my earlier comment, there is a scenario where the Keystone XL will get a green light. As you may be aware Stephen Harper has joined the fray in Iraq, we have training troops on the ground, which is a political liability for the Conservatives, Canadians tend to fire politicians who go to war, Jean Chretien got re-elected because he told Bush to **** off on Iraq.

    Harper and Obama do not like each other, Harper is a deep thinker, a practical ideologue and a policy wonk where Obama is all show and no go. So, we as we speculate why Harper payed puppet, there has to be a reason from which he or Canada or both get something in return, no business is done internationally without some hog trading. The typical return is that the White House gives us a lot of defense work [we hate war but have no problem making money off it], but there is speculation this favor is much, much pricier...that an OK of the XL is part of the package.

    Naturally dubious about such things, I have to ask whether Obama can engage in the kind of moral gymnastics and reverse himself on something he has made a trump card for six years. I don't see it happening, but I nor would I be surprised. My best bet is he made the deal, but will renege on it
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