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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    6 percent unemployment ?

    Be honest. Because dishonesty is why the Democrats got their goofy asses handed to them.

    Its 6 percent unemployment with a record low labor participation rate with a marked increase in new PART time jobs.

    Median income levels have flatlined in the last 6 years and STILL haven't returned to 2007 levels.

    Poverty rates are up and the Middle class is shrinking.

    THAT'S what Central planning has gotten us.

    And you're brag about the success of QE ? You're bragging about the Central bank falsely inflating the values of assets ?

    Your bragging about FED policy that incentivizes speculation and NOT investment in our economy ?

    You're bragging about massive monetization of our debt with no economic advantages ?

    You people think your'e the smartest people in the room as your policies crash and burn.

    Its mass delusion for the leftist
    That's central planning with an obstructionist party limiting things.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I don't see anyone on the right who has a real chance of defeating Hillary Clinton.

    She might be in the White House until 2025.
    I think Obama fatigue has started to set in, not that he can't turn it around. But if so and it continues that could change some of what I call Democratic trustworthy states in the electoral college to swing states. For the last two election the Democrats with their trustworthy states started out with a 256-191 advantage over the Republicans. That could change if what I call Obama fatigue continues for the next two years like it did for Bush the second, Bush fatigue.

    Look at the approval ratings of President Obama from a year and a half ago to today. The signs are there.

    National approval rating, then 53% today 40% minus 13
    Approval rating among Democrats, then 90%, today 78% minus 12
    Approval rating among Republicans, then 13% today 7% minus 6 - he really can't go any lower.
    Approval rating among Independents, then 47% today 36% minus 11

    Party affiliation, those who affiliate themselves as Democrats, then 35%, today 29% minus 6
    those who affiliate themselves as Republicans then 30%, today 26% minus 4
    affiliate themselves as independents then 33%, today 42% plus 9

    But what was probably the biggest change that brought the Republicans victory last week:
    Independents that lean Democrat then 14% today 15% plus 1
    Independents that lean Republican then 14% today 22% plus 8
    the rest of independent fall into the category of either true or pure independents.

    I am going to keep an eye on Obama approval ratings and on party affiliation. Especially the combined total of Democrat plus Independent lean Democrat and Republican plus Independent lean Republican. This will tell whether Obama fatigue is here to stay or is just a passing fancy that rose up and bit him last week in the butt.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    I'd love to see liberalism rejected, but first Democrats have to run as liberals. Liberalism has been rejected in the past, but Democrats have muddied the waters by hiding their views from the public around election time. We could say liberalism was rejected in 2014 if Democrats had actually been able to implement liberalism, but the problem there is that Republicans prevented it from happening, so again, nothing to reject.

    I chalk this election defeat up to the six year itch and the fact that Democrats are relying on a increasingly unreliable voter base that only comes out once every four years, and only then if there's a celebrity candidate at the top of the ticket.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Both parties got a minority of support from the population. The population didn't feel compelled to support either party.

    You can read tea leaves, but I see mostly a cup of diluted water.
    Continue to see nothing, its going to help next election.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the biggest stat from exist polls was 78% of voters are worried about the economy in the years ahead. The parties can put all the spin on the election they want, but what happened boiled down to "It's the economy Stupid,"

    Mandates, I do not think so unless the mandate is get this country moving again, i.e. the economy. Relieve worries about the future. But the question to Republicans is did they also get this message? Or do they think they have a mandate for their political agenda? In reality the Repubicans really didn't run on anything like the Contract with America back in 1994. they won because Obama fatigue as I put has set in. If the GOP congress concentrates on the economy a bright future is ahead, if not look for another 2006 and 2008 in 2016. Just keep in mind neither party is well liked:

    44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
    40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

    I have said all along that 2014 was a unique election, it was. The party with the lowest favorable rating and the highest unfavorable rating won. That hardly ever happens if it has happened.
    I dont think the repubs won because people wanted them to work WITH Obama, I think they won because they wanted to STOP Obama. Bottom line, people aren't happy with him or his parties policies. If they wanted to "help" Obama implement his policies, they would have voted for dems.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Forcing people to pay insurance companies for coverage is nowhere near what I define as "liberal", nor is amnesty, where a "liberal" solution would first weigh fairness, and people who break the law are well down that list.

    Obama is a Populist/Socialist. His health care reform was a promise first, THEN became policy, THEN became a legislative nightmare, consistent behaviors and result for populism. His policies, frankly are all over the map. His bail out package which seems forgotten was classic corporate welfare, and was a Nixonian lining of the lining of the pockets of those who paid $5000 for a rubber chicken dinner and a chance to glimpse the rock star candidate. Liberals, including me were horrified.

    And in the end, his administration has been the antithesis of liberal, whose core ideals lie in compromise, with the belief it is better to get a thin slice of the pie today than no pie at all, which is the result of six years in office.

    How well he wears the Teflon has baffled me. There is something about this guy that resonates in no way I have seen before. Most politicians would never have recovered from "If you like your plan...." but Americans rushed to forget it. He has to be the slimiest president since Nixon, he has lied, sent the IRS after his enemies and otherwise been Nixon, and he skates clean. Frustrating? It astonishes me.
    I dont get it either, he's got no cohesive theme to his policies (except distortions/spin) he STILL fails at what he decides to pursue, and yes-Americans still "like" the guy (or so we hear). THAT is a very dangerous precedence because so many horrible things have been allowed because of a slick personality. I dont know about all Canadians, but you are a different species of liberal from this guy.

    And this song is absolutely appropriate.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You are very good at repeating talking points.
    There it is.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    6 percent unemployment ?

    Be honest. Because dishonesty is why the Democrats got their goofy asses handed to them.

    Its 6 percent unemployment with a record low labor participation rate with a marked increase in new PART time jobs.

    Median income levels have flatlined in the last 6 years and STILL haven't returned to 2007 levels.

    Poverty rates are up and the Middle class is shrinking.

    THAT'S what Central planning has gotten us.

    And you're brag about the success of QE ? You're bragging about the Central bank falsely inflating the values of assets ?

    Your bragging about FED policy that incentivizes speculation and NOT investment in our economy ?

    You're bragging about massive monetization of our debt with no economic advantages ?

    You people think your'e the smartest people in the room as your policies crash and burn.

    Its mass delusion for the leftist
    Dead on. No amount of spin from the dems changes this.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    That's central planning with an obstructionist party limiting things.
    Always with the excuses. Tell me, if the dems can't get things done in power, what good are they? Isn't that evidence on its face that the dems are impotent.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think Obama fatigue has started to set in, not that he can't turn it around. But if so and it continues that could change some of what I call Democratic trustworthy states in the electoral college to swing states. For the last two election the Democrats with their trustworthy states started out with a 256-191 advantage over the Republicans. That could change if what I call Obama fatigue continues for the next two years like it did for Bush the second, Bush fatigue.

    Look at the approval ratings of President Obama from a year and a half ago to today. The signs are there.

    National approval rating, then 53% today 40% minus 13
    Approval rating among Democrats, then 90%, today 78% minus 12
    Approval rating among Republicans, then 13% today 7% minus 6 - he really can't go any lower.
    Approval rating among Independents, then 47% today 36% minus 11

    Party affiliation, those who affiliate themselves as Democrats, then 35%, today 29% minus 6
    those who affiliate themselves as Republicans then 30%, today 26% minus 4
    affiliate themselves as independents then 33%, today 42% plus 9

    But what was probably the biggest change that brought the Republicans victory last week:
    Independents that lean Democrat then 14% today 15% plus 1
    Independents that lean Republican then 14% today 22% plus 8
    the rest of independent fall into the category of either true or pure independents.

    I am going to keep an eye on Obama approval ratings and on party affiliation. Especially the combined total of Democrat plus Independent lean Democrat and Republican plus Independent lean Republican. This will tell whether Obama fatigue is here to stay or is just a passing fancy that rose up and bit him last week in the butt.
    Its almost like theres a new scandal weekly, and constant disappointment. I dont see this wearing reversing, but it is possible.

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