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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    And whey did they not want too. I'll tell you, democrats were so down on Obama and his policies, they did not want to vote for a demarcate so they stayed home. Their no show vote was actually a vote for the republicans.
    If they had wanted to vote for a Republican, they would have shown up and voted for a Republican. The no-show vote was neither a vote for Democrats or Republicans. The idea that a no show is a vote for the Republican is asinine.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If they had wanted to vote for a Republican, they would have shown up and voted for a Republican. The no-show vote was neither a vote for Democrats or Republicans. The idea that a no show is a vote for the Republican is asinine.
    According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

    I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

    I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.
    That's more or less what I was saying. Yep, the independents definitely stayed home. I don't think either party can count their not voting as a vote for them.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

    I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.
    Any thoughts on why Independents sat this one out? They could have voted either way, and it is interesting to see that they didn't bother.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    I wished I could have thanked you twice

    I remember when Chavez organized a free dental project for the poor in Venezuela , many of whom had never seen a dentist before. Some well to do Venezualans had no problem embracing a little bit of chavismo during that time and also visited the dentists in the programme.

    I assume that when their tooty pegs where gleaming in the sunlight coming through the boardroom window they returned to their previous animosity
    hee hee. Can you imagine it? They start complaining, and the dentists go and pull all those teeth they just fixed... that would be justice!

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's more or less what I was saying. Yep, the independents definitely stayed home. I don't think either party can count their not voting as a vote for them.
    No way. Not voting is just that, those not voting are saying they really do not give a dang who wins.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Any thoughts on why Independents sat this one out? They could have voted either way, and it is interesting to see that they didn't bother.
    I think they were fed up with both parties. I myself came close to not voting after hearing all the lies from our two senate candidates were telling about each other. Both good people, but one would never believe that to listen to their campaign ads.

    Among independents the Republican party has a 67% unfavorable rating, the Democratic a 64% unfavorable rating. Why vote for someone or a party you disdain? Neither party is liked, but I think both parties are oblivious to this fact.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If they had wanted to vote for a Republican, they would have shown up and voted for a Republican. The no-show vote was neither a vote for Democrats or Republicans. The idea that a no show is a vote for the Republican is asinine.
    A democrat that always votes democrat and decides not to vote this time around for a democrat and stays home because of failed polices and leading from behind and all the scandals etc etc is a no vote for democrats and one that does not take a republican vote to offset. Didn't you know, it's called turnout. You know people love good leadership and good legislation, neither of which Obama has provided. And you got hammered not once but twice and like Obama he blames anything and everything except his lack of leadership and good legislation. Thus you go done in flames. But you're like Obama losing had nothing to do with leading from behind or no leadership at all and when he did try and provide leadership he was dead wrong. And the legislation he signed coming from his followers was a disaster.

    So I dismiss your asinine comment as asinine.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    According to ABC Exit polling 37% who voted where Democrats vs. 34% who where Republicans. Compare that to Party affiliation numbers of 26% Republican and 30% Democrats nationwide with the rest being independents and 3rd Party members, it was the Independents who stayed home in the larger number. 42% of the electorate identify themselves as independents, yet they made up only 29% of the vote last Tuesday. It was the independents that stayed home, not the major parties as they made up 37% and 34% of the vote Tuesday.

    I am very interested to find out the total vote breakdown by party once it is accumulated.
    Run the numbers all you want, but all you have to do is look at the vote count. Republicans won hands down over democrats and the win was across the board from governors, to the senate being taken over, to the house gaining more seats and in local state races republicans won the majority of the time. This is not the first shellacking under Obama's failed presidency but instead of a shellacking the atom bomb went off this time. But anything to find an excuse that losing was not because of failed policies.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Yes, I believe that liberalism was rejected by the vote.

    If we consider the recently re-discovered (aka previously buried by the Biased Lame Stream Media) public statements by Jonathan Gruber:
    “This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass… Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”
    Gruber: Stupidity of Americans Would Have Killed Obamacare | The Daily Caller

    Mark Thiessen has, what appears to be, an accurate read of this.

    “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass,” Gruber said in the video.

    “If it takes lying to us to get what they want done, they’re willing to do it,” Thiessen said.

    Thiessen described Gruber as so condescending that “he actually wrote a comic book to explain ObamaCare because of course we’re not smart enough to read chapter books.” Thiessen noted that the book describes the individual mandate as “the spinach we have to eat in order to get the dessert that is fairly priced health insurance. “

    Megyn Kelly said that she invited Gruber back on the show to defend himself tonight, but he said he wasn’t interested.

    “You know what? We’re no longer interested in you, Mr. Gruber, and 28 Democrats who voted for that health care law just got fired by the American people because eventually they realized they had been lied to […] one by one, the misrepresentations have come out and the American people have had their say."
    Megyn Kelly, Marc Thiessen Slam Video of ObamaCare Architect Gruber Admitting 'Lack of Transparency' | Fox News Insider

    No one likes being lied to. No one.

    I submit that the electorate has come to the same conclusions as Thiessen, that this president and this administration basically thinks the electorate as 'too stupid to know the difference', 'too stupid to know when they are being lied to', and aren't worthy of anything more than being lied to, and it is this attitude and these actions which have been resoundingly rejected at the polls.

    Interestingly enough, this is very much the same attitude that you get every time someone has the temerity to question and challenge a policy proposed by a liberal.

    The Obama administration, as long as it remains in office, will be a continuing reminder of this attitude of theirs, and this attitude will continue to be associated with the Democratic party and Democratic candidates, up until the end of the Obama administration.

    So what do that do for the Democratic party's prospect for the 2016 elections, with the continuous reminder still in office until after the elections complete?

    My advice to the Democrats / progressives / liberals, is you may have good ideas worthy of consideration, but you're not going to get much support from the electorate until you lose the attitude.

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