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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Liberals in America are for more Government control over the private industry whether through regulations or laws like ObamaCare.

    May not be " Socialism " but their policies are still destructive, short sighted and they've just been rebuked.
    Yup, which is why the term statist is quite fitting. They may not all be marxists, but they are advocates of centralized coercive power over the individual.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yup, which is why the term statist is quite fitting. They may not all be marxists, but they are advocates of centralized coercive power over the individual.
    Because being an advocate of decentralized coercive powers over the individual is the American way.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    No.

    Some people changed their vote, some people stayed home and it is with the later we should concern ourselves. Why?

    Some of it is mere Presidential fatigue, those who backed the guy simply don't like him anymore. Some of it was policy, certainly Obamacare and the way it was handled was a factor. But, assuming those who stayed home were for the most part Democrat, then we have a more clear interpretation. They came out in 08 unabashedly FOR this "hope and change" guy. By the first mid terms he was the "grope and change" boy, flailing at problems and insisting on economic successes that were thin air. Last time, the presidential machine took over. Obama won with a 5% advantage over Romney which is about what the incumbent and all its trappings can expect.

    So, what happened here? After all the lies and screw ups, the shellacking in Crimea, the red line, ISIS etc, he became the "dope and change boy". Looking at those who stayed home, I say it was a rejection of Obama the man.

    What the Republicans need to do now is figure out how to keep them at home in 2016, as with the departure of Obama the reason to stay home may disappear and HIllary may give them reason to come out.
    I generally agree, and hope and change did eventually become nope and blame. But Obama is perhaps the most liberal president in modern US history. One thing he has always attempted to do, is make himself appear above the fray, as if he's not interested in getting dirty, all the while he's covered in mud. THAT is certainly fatiguing to me but his policies have proven unpopular as well, and what are they if not "liberal" policies?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It means more of them stayed home than in the past.

    It would be a severe strategic mistake to think this is a rejection of what you guys call "liberalism", if you actually had liberals things would work since you can work with liberals, socialists have pig heads.

    I would say it is a rejection of individual 'liberal' initiatives, those being Obama's proposed solutions and the way he tried to force them down the nation's throats. But that is a rejection of Obama. i.e., it would be wrong to say the vote represented rejection of a solution to illegal immigrants but rather a rejection of Obama's amnesty.
    Word.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    I would like to think so but I doubt it. This is only a personnal opinion but the only people who support liberalism / socialism are naive or uneducated. This was a mid-term election and I suspect that most Americans woke up on November 5th completely surprised that elections had been held the day before. As I understand it, the networks didn't even cover events leading up to the election. If this had been a presidential election year--with all eyes on who was going to be the next president--I suspect far more people would have voted and democrates / socialist would have fared far better.
    The media did indeed almost ignore this election cycle. Of course the cable news networks spent more time here as they always do, but broadcast news did very little-I think they knew how it was going to turn out.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    While hardly a ringing endorsement, at least the argument could be made that a plurality of voters thought the 2012 campaigns were better than "meh."

    Voter cynicism wins, by convincing the rest of the voters to forgo their votes.

    Liberal policies are destructive, short sighted and rebuked, except for where they're working effectively, are sustainable, and happily endorsed by both intellectuals and voters alike.

    Lol !!

    And where would that be ? Where are Liberal policies working effectively ?

    Sure isn't here ? Or Europe, or Japan.

    No, the election was a repudiation of all the hare brained left wing " solutions " and policies that have been pushed down Americas throat since 2008.

    And yes, there are allot of intelectuals who're Liberals. I have some in my Family.

    Their being " intellectuals " doesn't negate the failure of the ideology and the policies they promote.

    They share their views with like minded intellectuals and live in a alternate reality, a bubble of their own making.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Because being an advocate of decentralized coercive powers over the individual is the American way.
    This is a simple and reflexive counter to my comment. Top down, one size fits all, do it or pay a fine or meet g-men with guns isn't the solution. Never was.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Because being an advocate of decentralized coercive powers over the individual is the American way.

    Because central planning has worked so well in the past...

    Actually no, its been a disaster.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !!

    And where would that be ? Where are Liberal policies working effectively ?

    Sure isn't here ? Or Europe, or Japan.

    No, the election was a repudiation of all the hare brained left wing " solutions " and policies that have been pushed down Americas throat since 2008.

    And yes, there are allot of intelectuals who're Liberals. I have some in my Family.

    Their being " intellectuals " doesn't negate the failure of the ideology and the policies they promote.

    They share their views with like minded intellectuals and live in a alternate reality, a bubble of their own making.
    Agreed. There are those on the left who have the capacity to think empirically. And in that circumstance its fairly straightforward to see that the stated intent never seems to match the outcome. It never lives up to what was promised and when that happens something, anything will be found to blame.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Often but not always. It can mean any of the various factions of the left, marxist or not. And even within that group of marxists, there is a divide between those who openly admit it (which I can respect), and those who wish to masquerade because they dont want the stigma.
    It's hardly surprising that many Marxists wouldn't wave a flag about them being so in the US though is it ? I mean when you consider how the left has been systematically destroyed , and violently so , for over a century.
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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