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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Exit polling is clear. You are just hacking.
    You wish, anything to make an excuse for liberal failure. All across the board republican governors now control 32 states, the House has gains seats they have not had that many seats sense 1930's and the senate is in republican hands, and all across the country dems have lost in their districts and in the houses. Obama said the first time he got a shellacking and now the atom bomb want off. And all you true blue liberals are in denial the same as Obama.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Well, 2016 is a different dynamic, its a presidential election. Also one without an incumbent.

    But in the mean time it appears the democrat party forgot bill Clintons comment- "Its the economy stupid!".
    Note that Im not calling you stupid.
    It will be an election without an incumbent. The democrats have at least Hillary, if she chooses to run, that has 100% name recognition, good or bad, and the GOP will have to build someone up. It will be about the economy in 2016, but I do not see the GOP taking the White House if Hillary is the nominee for the democrats. Ultimately it is control of the House of Representatives that will matter the most. Unless the GOP moderates away from the Tea Party types and tries to advance some sort of economic direction that includes some relief for those in places where recovery will be a decade more in coming and some new job creation, then the GOP might lose the House either way.

    Melissa Harris-Perry had a good segment on the economics of the election this week as an unusual break from her typical Democratic Apologist format. The basics were what I have already stated--those doing better economically supported the dems and those who saw the economy as not good voted for the republicans based on exit polling. She then discussed how things like rising GDP/lowering unemployment and all these US macro indicators are looking impressive but that they hide a lot of people struggling because they have no extra cash to save or invest or purchase extra things with.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you bothered to actually read the positions written by left-leaning members, you would know that the liberal base feels betrayed by Obama's "compromise." Anyway, even the small hope of the PPACA as a stepping stone to UHC is now gone as accomplishing that would require another Democratic super majority, and that's not going to happen for a long, long time.
    I disliked (still do) "Obamacare" because it seemed half-assed and unfinished, with multiple flaws looming to cause problems.

    It remains to be seen what all the consequences of it will be, especially now that the Republicans are talking about cutting some stuff out...
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I disliked (still do) "Obamacare" because it seemed half-assed and unfinished, with multiple flaws looming to cause problems.

    It remains to be seen what all the consequences of it will be, especially now that the Republicans are talking about cutting some stuff out...
    I agree.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you bothered to actually read the positions written by left-leaning members, you would know that the liberal base feels betrayed by Obama's "compromise." Anyway, even the small hope of the PPACA as a stepping stone to UHC is now gone as accomplishing that would require another Democratic super majority, and that's not going to happen for a long, long time.
    Again, the only way ACA could lead to UHC is if it failed and democrats figured out a way to blame the failure on capitalism. If ACA fails and the blame is not squarely placed on the shoulders of the private sector UHC will never happen.

    Supporting corporatist policies to get to socialist policies is absolutely brilliant in this regard because you can actually cause the market to fail and then place the blame squarely on the market. The one thing liberals are good at is politics. They understand how to get to where they are going better than anyone.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    It will be an election without an incumbent. The democrats have at least Hillary, if she chooses to run, that has 100% name recognition, good or bad, and the GOP will have to build someone up. It will be about the economy in 2016, but I do not see the GOP taking the White House if Hillary is the nominee for the democrats. Ultimately it is control of the House of Representatives that will matter the most. Unless the GOP moderates away from the Tea Party types and tries to advance some sort of economic direction that includes some relief for those in places where recovery will be a decade more in coming and some new job creation, then the GOP might lose the House either way.

    Melissa Harris-Perry had a good segment on the economics of the election this week as an unusual break from her typical Democratic Apologist format. The basics were what I have already stated--those doing better economically supported the dems and those who saw the economy as not good voted for the republicans based on exit polling. She then discussed how things like rising GDP/lowering unemployment and all these US macro indicators are looking impressive but that they hide a lot of people struggling because they have no extra cash to save or invest or purchase extra things with.
    I dont think the GOP will be looking to the dems for advice, but it will be an interesting dynamic, this new congress with the presidential elections on top.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Again, the only way ACA could lead to UHC is if it failed and democrats figured out a way to blame the failure on capitalism. If ACA fails and the blame is not squarely placed on the shoulders of the private sector UHC will never happen.
    You seem to be under the impression that I like this situation, or that I actually believe that the PPACA leading to UHC is a particularly brilliant plan. I can assure you I do not. What part of "the liberal base feels betrayed by Obama" are you not comprehending?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You seem to be under the impression that I like this situation, or that I actually believe that the PPACA leading to UHC is a particularly brilliant plan. I can assure you I do not.
    Well, I don't know. If the government can cause the market to fail then they could use the opportunity to push for more controls. If you put together a plan that empowers the market, but the market fails under the weight you could say that the market is not fit to run healthcare, and just like that you have a case for UHC.

    If however the plan succeeds, well, then you have pretty much shut the door on it entirely.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I disliked (still do) "Obamacare" because it seemed half-assed and unfinished, with multiple flaws looming to cause problems.

    It remains to be seen what all the consequences of it will be, especially now that the Republicans are talking about cutting some stuff out...
    I personally wish we had pushed for universal health care, like so many western european countries - and Canada - have. ACA was a very conservative approach to getting health care for a large number of people; it kept the health insurance companies in business.

    However, I understand than undermining the health insurance companies would not have been good for our economy in the short run - they employ a lot of people.

    I sure hope we move toward more of a universal system. But we'll see what happens. Certainly those red states who refused to set up health insurance exchanges are helping to push us to single payer health care. ironic, isn't it?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont think the GOP will be looking to the dems for advice, but it will be an interesting dynamic, this new congress with the presidential elections on top.
    Then they will not do so at their own peril. It is only a new Senate. The House did not change hands. The GOP will be facing the last gasp of the Tea Party and the growth of the Libertarians as the sail into the headwind of what will likely be a $1.5-$2 Billion per side election if Hillary is the nominee. The only reason the GOP did not take down Mark Warner was because of the votes it lost in Virginia to the Libertarians. The right will have to pick and choose how to spend its money--capturing the WH, holding onto the Senate or holding onto the House. Without an incumbent, people will not be protesting voting the POTUS like was seen in this midterm.

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