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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What was unemployment before 1964?
    Hey I can show you much more than that, I can show you how it changed historically!

    United States Unemployment Rate 1920–2013 | Infoplease.com





    Let's look at the poverty too though!

    African American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    During the postwar period, many African Americans continued to be economically disadvantaged relative to other Americans. Average black income stood at 54% of that of white workers in 1947, and 55% in 1962. In 1959, median family income for whites was $5,600, compared with $2,900 for nonwhite families. In 1965, 43% of all black families fell into the poverty bracket, earning under $3,000 a year. The Sixties saw improvements in the social and economic conditions of many black Americans.[38]

    From 1965 to 1969, black family income rose from 54% to 60% of white family income. In 1968, 23% of black families earned under $3,000 a year, compared with 41% in 1960. In 1965, 19% of black Americans had incomes equal to the national median, a proportion that rose to 27% by 1967. In 1960, the median level of education for blacks had been 10.8 years, and by the late Sixties the figure rose to 12.2 years, half a year behind the median for whites.[38]
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    In 1940, when blacks were politically impotent, their poverty rate was 87 percent. By 1960, before blacks achieved much political power, it fell to 47 percent. During that interval, in various skilled trades, the incomes of blacks relative to whites more than doubled.
    Long Depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In the US, from 18731879, 18,000 businesses went bankrupt, including hundreds of banks, and ten states went bankrupt,[7][dead link] while unemployment peaked in 1878, long after the panic ended. Different sources peg the peak unemployment rate anywhere from 8.25%[8] to 14%.[9]
    ... You ready for la creme de la creme? I'm citing the Libertarian Heritage think tank:

    Understanding Poverty in the United States: Poverty USA

    Crowding is quite rare. Only 2.2 percent of all households and 6.2 percent of poor households are crowded with less than one room per person.[36] By contrast, social reformer Jacob Riis, writing on tenement living conditions around 1890 in New York City, described crowded families living with four or five persons per room and some 20 square feet of living space per person.[37]
    Yes, yes we know. No changes whatsoever. We're poorer. It's funny that since Roosevelt started his New Deal, the country has never again seen the levels of poverty we saw before and people still say we're doing worse as a country. Maybe it's just heightened expectations?
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Let's stay away from personal attacks before the moderator calls us on it, ok, all?

    Back to topic on hand - I don't think liberalism was rejected, given that proposals for increases in minimum wage, bans on fracking, legalization of pot all passed. And as Cardinal said, the Repub senators were almost all in red states, so it would be natural for Repubs to win there.

    I do think the Dems didn't get our message across - the economic progress that has been made under Pres Obama (in spite of opposition from repubs) - while not enough, the unemployment rate is under 6%, the deficit is cut in half, and the stock market is roaring. But if you asked the average voter, they probably said just the opposite - they think deficits and unemployment are up, and probably don't care about the stock market. Why they have the wrong info is a different debate; the Dems didn't do a good job at getting our message across during an election cycle where it was expected that the opposition would gain seats.

    Will Democrats spend the next two years getting our message out so we can reclaim (and keep) seats in 2016? I certainly hope so.


    Will repubs blow their current advantage? I'm betting yes. I'm betting the first two things they vote on are a repeal of the ACA and a personhood amendment, which will pretty much doom them. I would love to be proved wrong; but if they haven't been willing to cooperate with Pres Obama for the last six years, why would they now?
    Banning fracking completely is exceedingly foolhardy. For those who live on the trucking routes required by it, there must be some sort of compromise or route that can leave your neighborhoods in tact.

    Fracking is the second gold or oil rush, and could easily make the US energy independent. Not only does it burn clearer, with less CO2 and soot than other fossil fuels, it can readily be used to fuel electrical generation, cars and other transportation, not to mention that it's already being used to heat homes and for cooking, the case of a gas stove. Why would you want to limit or ban all those positive uses?

    Those who insist on banning all fracking, you should be the first to do without LNG. Leave it to the rest of us, thanks. Enjoy your cold food and your cold house.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I disagree.
    I couldn't care less.

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    Tuesday's gone, Kobie.
    Your sophomoric trolling notwithstanding, you seem to think (and won't shut the **** up about how) I'm somehow overly upset over the results of the midterms. The results we pretty much all knew were coming. Why is that?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Poverty was plummeting according to your own graphs prior to 1964.
    Yes and it was on the rise before the New Deal. Do you disagree?

    Naturally, you take the dishonest liberal approach and count all the pre-war on poverty decline in with your numbers to make them look good. Trillions of dollars over 50 years has taken poverty from 19% to 15% in the wealthiest and freest nation in the world where economic opportunity is unlimited. Only in the liberal mind is that a success.
    When the facts don't add up to your conclusion, say the facts are wrong with nothing to back it up and yet... here were are. A nation with high literacy rates, practically no child starvation and most indicators of poverty showing that our "poor" have iphones, live in homes and eat well. Yep! Better go back to what came before liberal programs! How was social mobility back then?
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Let's stay away from personal attacks before the moderator calls us on it, ok, all?

    Back to topic on hand - I don't think liberalism was rejected, given that proposals for increases in minimum wage, bans on fracking, legalization of pot all passed. And as Cardinal said, the Repub senators were almost all in red states, so it would be natural for Repubs to win there.

    I do think the Dems didn't get our message across - the economic progress that has been made under Pres Obama (in spite of opposition from repubs) - while not enough, the unemployment rate is under 6%, the deficit is cut in half, and the stock market is roaring. But if you asked the average voter, they probably said just the opposite - they think deficits and unemployment are up, and probably don't care about the stock market. Why they have the wrong info is a different debate; the Dems didn't do a good job at getting our message across during an election cycle where it was expected that the opposition would gain seats.

    Will Democrats spend the next two years getting our message out so we can reclaim (and keep) seats in 2016? I certainly hope so.


    Will repubs blow their current advantage? I'm betting yes. I'm betting the first two things they vote on are a repeal of the ACA and a personhood amendment, which will pretty much doom them. I would love to be proved wrong; but if they haven't been willing to cooperate with Pres Obama for the last six years, why would they now?
    Actually, I think the economic progress that's been made is in spite of Obama's regulatory tidal wave. In fact, had this tidal wave of regulation been absent, the recovery would have been faster and stronger.

    The stock market is roaring because of all the QE that the Fed has injected. Something on the order of $1T over these last years (something like $80B each and every month).

    It's only been recently that they've stopped this 'watering down' of the dollar, and it's yet to be seen what the economy and stock market will do in response. So far, it's continued as before, and we can only hope that it remains so.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    If you look at actual history and not Hatuey's made up history, black employment opportunities were improving for decades before the 1960's or even the 1950's. Yes, similar trends can be found in the Hispanic and Asian populations and the increases after 1964 where no greater than before it.

    Shove your made up history, Hatuey.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hey I can show you much more than that, I can show you how it changed historically!

    United States Unemployment Rate 1920–2013 | Infoplease.com





    Let's look at the poverty too though!

    African American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    A MINORITY VIEW



    Long Depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    ... You ready for la creme de la creme? I'm citing the Libertarian Heritage think tank:

    Understanding Poverty in the United States: Poverty USA



    Yes, yes we know. No changes whatsoever. We're poorer. It's funny that since Roosevelt started his New Deal, the country has never again seen the levels of poverty we saw before and people still say we're doing worse as a country. Maybe it's just heightened expectations?
    I already showed unemployment from 1947-2013, so yeah, I beat you to the punch. I even went a step further and showed unemployment from 1890-2009. Did you notice what unemployment was before the new deal? You didn't, did you?

    Unlike you where you pick and choose what periods you want to talk about, I decided to show all the data points, because I have nothing to hide.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Poverty was plummeting according to your own graphs prior to 1964. Naturally, you take the dishonest liberal approach and count all the pre-war on poverty decline in with your numbers to make them look good. Trillions of dollars over 50 years has taken poverty from 19% to 15% in the wealthiest and freest nation in the world where economic opportunity is unlimited. Only in the liberal mind is that a success.
    If I did a shot every time you used the word "liberal" as a pejorative, I'd be dead in an hour. Grow the **** up.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you look at actual history and not Hatuey's made up history, black employment opportunities were improving for decades before the 1960's or even the 1950's. Yes, similar trends can be found in the Hispanic and Asian populations and the increases after 1964 where no greater than before it.

    Shove your made up history, Hatuey.
    Lol - someone is hurt because their argument that marriage causes poverty was shown to be nonsense.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes and it was on the rise before the New Deal. Do you disagree?



    When the facts don't add up to your conclusion, say the facts are wrong with nothing to back it up and yet... here were are. A nation with high literacy rates, practically no child starvation and most indicators of poverty showing that our "poor" have iphones, live in homes and eat well. Yep! Better go back to what came before liberal programs! How was social mobility back then?
    He's right though. Poverty had been dropping at a rate of roughly 1% per year for the 2 decades before the lefts war on poverty. Since then its pretty much held steady, and we still have the bloated bureaucracy that defines success as the number of people who need govt cheese.

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