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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes yes, we know - keeping poverty at a level that is historically unheard of in the country's history makes it a bust. Now we know, the poverty rate dropping 50% in 60 years bothers you, but I don't know why? Poverty rates dropped for blacks, they dropped for whites, asians and hispanics. How were the poverty rates before 1964? I'm sure everyone was middle class and the majority of the country had access to education and people weren't literally starving.
    Poverty was plummeting according to your own graphs prior to 1964. Naturally, you take the dishonest liberal approach and count all the pre-war on poverty decline in with your numbers to make them look good. Trillions of dollars over 50 years has taken poverty from 19% to 15% in the wealthiest and freest nation in the world where economic opportunity is unlimited. Only in the liberal mind is that a success.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Let's stay away from personal attacks before the moderator calls us on it, ok, all?

    Back to topic on hand - I don't think liberalism was rejected, given that proposals for increases in minimum wage, bans on fracking, legalization of pot all passed. And as Cardinal said, the Repub senators were almost all in red states, so it would be natural for Repubs to win there.

    I do think the Dems didn't get our message across - the economic progress that has been made under Pres Obama (in spite of opposition from repubs) - while not enough, the unemployment rate is under 6%, the deficit is cut in half, and the stock market is roaring. But if you asked the average voter, they probably said just the opposite - they think deficits and unemployment are up, and probably don't care about the stock market. Why they have the wrong info is a different debate; the Dems didn't do a good job at getting our message across during an election cycle where it was expected that the opposition would gain seats.

    Will Democrats spend the next two years getting our message out so we can reclaim (and keep) seats in 2016? I certainly hope so.


    Will repubs blow their current advantage? I'm betting yes. I'm betting the first two things they vote on are a repeal of the ACA and a personhood amendment, which will pretty much doom them. I would love to be proved wrong; but if they haven't been willing to cooperate with Pres Obama for the last six years, why would they now?
    I certainly hope the Republicans pass and send a repeal of the ACA to the presidentís desk. The majority of Americans still oppose it. 51.6% to 38.1% in favor.

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

    Now look at the states that switched from Democrat to Republican concerning the ACA:

    Arkansas 27% for 63% against
    Colorado 37% for 59% against
    Iowa 35% for 52% against
    Louisiana 31% for 63% against
    Montana 31% for 58% against
    North Carolina 38% for 51% against

    I donít have the numbers for Alaska, South Dakota or West Virginia. But I am sure they fall in line with the above. Now both of us know the president will veto it, so the ACA isnít going anywhere and for Republicans that is a good thing, a good thing to campaign on. That is as long as the Republicans do not overdo it, just send one bill and get the president on the record with a veto.

    I will add when a party loses an election it always says they didnít succeed in getting their message out. I think the loss had more to do with the number of Democratic Senators who distance themselves from the president and ran away from their voting record. It seemed to me they were trying to paint themselves as Republicans Light. Whether this would have made a difference or not, who knows. I think they should have stood proudly by their record, not run away from it. Give the voters a real choice.

    I too think the Republicans will blow it. They think they have a mandate, there was no mandate. Just a lot of states reverting back to their roots. But CNN had one exit poll I think that told it all, 23% of the electorate was mad at Obama, 33% dissatisfied with the president and only 39% satisfied. Keep in mind the presidentís overall national approval rating of 41.8% vs. 53.4%. Look at his approval rating in the states the Democrats lost and you have your reason for the defeat. Not so much ideology, but dissatisfaction with the president.

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval


    Arkansas 32% approve 61% disapprove
    Colorado 40% approve 57% disapprove
    Iowa 40% approve 55% disapprove
    Louisiana 38% approve 57% disapprove
    Montana 35% approve 60% disapprove
    North Carolina 42% approve 52% disapprove

    Probably the election changer that gave the Republicans the big edge was the president himself when he said, ďI am not on the ballot, but my policies are.Ē
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Poverty was plummeting according to your own graphs prior to 1964. Naturally, you take the dishonest liberal approach and count all the pre-war on poverty decline in with your numbers to make them look good. Trillions of dollars over 50 years has taken poverty from 19% to 15% in the wealthiest and freest nation in the world where economic opportunity is unlimited. Only in the liberal mind is that a success.
    Did you notice how he starts at 1964 and not after the great depression? Could it be that unemployment was as low as 2.9 percent at around that time? I wonder what would happen if he looked at before the great depression. Crap, it went as low as 1.8 percent. Oh well.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Poverty was plummeting according to your own graphs prior to 1964. Naturally, you take the dishonest liberal approach and count all the pre-war on poverty decline in with your numbers to make them look good. Trillions of dollars over 50 years has taken poverty from 19% to 15% in the wealthiest and freest nation in the world where economic opportunity is unlimited. Only in the liberal mind is that a success.
    It is a success in the sense that the gov't dependent tend to vote "correctly". The absolute beauty of social justice attained by gov't controlled income redistribution is that it makes having a huge federal nanny state absolutely essential. Keeping that "baby daddy" around, much less gainfully employed, is now a mere option but that "safety net" is essential to household survival for (at least) 15% of the population.
    ďThe reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.Ē ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

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    Just sayin'

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Tough nuggets.
    I disagree.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    You only needed one of those 'almost' in that first sentence Kobie. Last Tuesday really has shaken your world, hasn't it?
    This has been playing on an endless loop at his place.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ^ Case in point.
    Tuesday's gone, Kobie.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Let's stay away from personal attacks before the moderator calls us on it, ok, all?

    Back to topic on hand - I don't think liberalism was rejected, given that proposals for increases in minimum wage, bans on fracking, legalization of pot all passed. And as Cardinal said, the Repub senators were almost all in red states, so it would be natural for Repubs to win there.

    I do think the Dems didn't get our message across - the economic progress that has been made under Pres Obama (in spite of opposition from repubs) - while not enough, the unemployment rate is under 6%, the deficit is cut in half, and the stock market is roaring. But if you asked the average voter, they probably said just the opposite - they think deficits and unemployment are up, and probably don't care about the stock market. Why they have the wrong info is a different debate; the Dems didn't do a good job at getting our message across during an election cycle where it was expected that the opposition would gain seats.

    Will Democrats spend the next two years getting our message out so we can reclaim (and keep) seats in 2016? I certainly hope so.


    Will repubs blow their current advantage? I'm betting yes. I'm betting the first two things they vote on are a repeal of the ACA and a personhood amendment, which will pretty much doom them. I would love to be proved wrong; but if they haven't been willing to cooperate with Pres Obama for the last six years, why would they now?
    I'm not sure about the last paragraph Paddy but overall this is a great post and you are one DEM who gets it.
    Me personally, I don't see any way Sen. McConnell will let his tenure as Majority Leader be ruined by GOP outliers.

    What we continue to not hear from the GOP is what they plan on replacing ACA with--their solemn promise.
    Once again, some of us understand that DEMs are currently a disaster on getting their message out.

    After the government shutdown last October, did you hear another word from Dems--hell NO!
    GOPs/FOX would have crucified Dems for doing this.

    What you did see in November was GOPs/FOX trash Dems unmercifully for the rollout of ACA--with no response from Dems--Dukakis all over.
    Not one time in the election were GOPs asked what they would do with over 10 million new people having insurance.
    Nor were they questioned as to why such "good" GOP governors like Kasich, Snyder, Martinez and Sandoval took Medicaid Expansion.
    You know damn well why they took it--to coast to reelection.

    Hell, FOX even had its own GOP members believing before the election that lower gas prices were bad for America .
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