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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Speaking of all those voters who stayed home, you don't suppose that this might have something to do with that?
    When you get what you want, you find out it's not what you need. That is what Millennials are experiencing right now as the liberal program they voted for in 2008 and 2012 is being implemented.
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    President Obama ended his 2008 victory speech by saying, "This is our time, to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth, that, out of many, we
    are one; that while we breathe, we hope. And where we are met with cynicism and doubts and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can."

    All of these magically inspired words painted the rosiest of pictures of liberal ideology; a utopia of free healthcare, free birth control, no gun violence, no more greedy mean rich people, affordable education, and a Prius for all. Sadly, reality has arrived in America and it has millennials saying, "Dude, I didn't sign up for this!"

    Millennials are now seeing an America they cannot thrive in. The trillion-dollar stimulus and out of control government spending ushered in by liberal politicians produced few shovel ready jobs, while leaving per capita debt at $52,948. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the 2013 labor force participation rate of those in their twenties has hit the lowest level on record since 1981. Furthermore, since President Obama took office the number of twentysomethings who were not in the labor force in an average month climbed from 8,756,000 to 10,511,00, an increase of 20-percent. It is now the highest ever recorded Labor Force Participation Hits Record Low for Americans in Their 20s | CNS News.

    Youth unemployment is at a staggering 15.8 percent and 1.7 million young adults have given up looking for work, according the Department of Labor.
    And the average millennial graduating college is sent on his or her way with $30,000 in student loan debt, the highest in American history. Didn't Obama say this is the time we put Americans back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids? If this is the definition of liberal opportunity,
    we should have stuck with Bush.

    Now, that glowing picture of free healthcare has turned into a disaster that millennials neither want nor can afford. An analysis by NerdWallet says the
    average millennial that enrolls into the exchanges will spend five times more a year out of pocket on healthcare than those who forgo insurance and
    take the penalty. Whatever happened to the promised liberal utopia of free birth control and affordable healthcare?

    In 2009, before Obamacare and the aftermath of the president's ambitious first two years, nearly 50-percent of millennials viewed Democrats favorably. Now, that number has dropped to a staggering 36-percent. Furthermore, over half of millennials disapprove of the president job
    performance, up from 38-percent prior to his 2012 reelection. The unpopularity of liberalism in America has not only affected the beltway
    politicians but also presidential candidates like Hillary Clinton. The Democratic frontrunner enjoyed a comfy 60-percent approval rating from
    millennials in 2009, but today that has fallen to 42-percent in a recent poll by the Wall Street Journal.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It takes enormous brass balls or almost an almost childlike lack of awareness to sit here on DP, of all places, and whine about liberals being arrogant and snotty. Have you read some of your right-wing brethren's posts around here?
    You only needed one of those 'almost' in that first sentence Kobie. Last Tuesday really has shaken your world, hasn't it?
    Liberalismódividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As for the first part, in red, I would say that's debatable. I would call any country where 87% of any demographic is living in poverty to be a third world country. I would consider a country where women have no real access to education to be a third world country. I would say a country where illiteracy rates are 50%-60% to be a third world country. That's the country we had before the 50s and 60s.

    As for the second part..... you do know that portions have actually grown in the last 50 years? Yes? In all areas?

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    As for your your questions have nothing to do with social program. Companies have found ways to make cheaper products and sell them in a more expensive manner. That happens. It's no different than companies getting machines to do the jobs of human beings at a fraction of the price. Whatever the cause may be, it has nothing to do with social programs.
    I have no problem with social programs if they are used as a safety net - not a way of life. FDR recognized that men needed to be able to provide for their families for their self esteem. His creation of all the alphabet agencies was one of the best things he could have done at that time in our history and we are still enjoying the national parks and other work that was done. With our infrastructure badly needing updating today, especially our grid, why doesn't this administration consider putting people to work doing something like that? It wouldn't have to be mandatory - it wasn't under FDR - and the benefits would be enormous. When unemployment runs out, what do people do? If more than minimum wage was offered, I'd bet there would be millions who would be interested. There's probably 101 reasons why it wouldn't work, but it's just a suggestion.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    She didn't fail as SOS. And again, when it comes to the field, nobody's gonna care about Hillary's goofings.

    • even an admirer must acknowledge that few big problems were solved on her watch. There was no equivalent of Ambassador George F. Kennan's development of the containment doctrine and associated initiatives, such as the creation of NATO during the Cold War; Secretary of State Henry Kissinger's paving the way for the United States' opening to China; or Secretary of State James Baker's push for German reunification after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    • In the Middle East, the verdict on Clinton is mixed, even leaving aside the very sad but overdebated tragedy in Benghazi. On the positive side, the sanctions regime on Iran has never been stronger. Meanwhile, the Arab Spring brought hope, not only to Libya but also to Egypt and Tunisia; the administration was wise enough not to try to prop up aging autocrats such as Hosni Mubarak when it became evident that they would not survive. It has also been patient in its dealings with Egypt's new president, Mohamed Morsi. Clinton was especially prominent in government decision-making on Libya, even in the face of Pentagon reluctance, but she played a major role in the other cases too.
    • On the negative side, though, U.S. popularity in the region has plummeted back to Bush-era levels. The promise of Obama's June 2009 Cairo speech was generally left unrealized. There has been no movement on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. The administration failed in its efforts to keep U.S. forces in Iraq past 2011. Syria is still in chaos. Iran continues to enrich uranium and to sponsor mayhem.
    • Yet Clinton should not get off scot-free. On Syria, the United States remains at a loss. The administration's caution has become regrettable and counterproductive in light of the tragedy there. More effective U.S. support for the opposition seems warranted, and there is now a strong case for joint U.S.-NATO-Arab League airstrikes too. In Afghanistan, although more robust engagement and counterinsurgency were preferable to accepting a Taliban defeat, the Obama administration failed to develop a working partnership with President Hamid Karzai or to send successful messages about long-term U.S. plans, and some of Clinton's team contributed to the mixed messaging. That uncertainty led Pakistan to hedge, at times even condoning the insurgency.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    That is uncalled for.
    Tough nuggets.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    You only needed one of those 'almost' in that first sentence Kobie. Last Tuesday really has shaken your world, hasn't it?
    Oh yeah, I'm devastated.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ^ Case in point.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is why you need to read posts. She complained things are more expensive, yes that's what happens in a country where supply and demand matter and the population triples in size. It has happened in literally every country that doesn't freeze prices. That has nothing to do with social programs. Food portions have gotten smaller? That's just false. We eat more as a country than we ever have. We eat ****ty foods, however that's what happens when companies want to turn a profit without spending a lot of money. Food raised in industrial farms? Cheap and plenty of. Food raised by human hand (basically artisanal farming nowadays) expensive. That has absolutely nothing to do with social programs either. Both have to do with a society that demands more and wants it cheaper.
    I read the posts fine. She mentioned portion sizes as part of a larger argument and you decided to run with it and in the process posted a completely idiotic chart showing how portion sizes have gotten larger using three common fast food choices. Yes, fast food portions has gotten larger. What that has to do with the grocery store is anyone's guess.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Let's stay away from personal attacks before the moderator calls us on it, ok, all?

    Back to topic on hand - I don't think liberalism was rejected, given that proposals for increases in minimum wage, bans on fracking, legalization of pot all passed. And as Cardinal said, the Repub senators were almost all in red states, so it would be natural for Repubs to win there.

    I do think the Dems didn't get our message across - the economic progress that has been made under Pres Obama (in spite of opposition from repubs) - while not enough, the unemployment rate is under 6%, the deficit is cut in half, and the stock market is roaring. But if you asked the average voter, they probably said just the opposite - they think deficits and unemployment are up, and probably don't care about the stock market. Why they have the wrong info is a different debate; the Dems didn't do a good job at getting our message across during an election cycle where it was expected that the opposition would gain seats.

    Will Democrats spend the next two years getting our message out so we can reclaim (and keep) seats in 2016? I certainly hope so.


    Will repubs blow their current advantage? I'm betting yes. I'm betting the first two things they vote on are a repeal of the ACA and a personhood amendment, which will pretty much doom them. I would love to be proved wrong; but if they haven't been willing to cooperate with Pres Obama for the last six years, why would they now?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh yeah, I'm devastated.
    Yeah, you ARE. Just like Obama. Crushed. Rejected and abandoned. How does it feel?
    Liberalismódividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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