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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The fatal flaw of liberalism, is that it must sacrifice the freedom of the individual for the state. Thats why even the term "liberal" is a misnomer. When it inevitably comes down to that choice-freedom or the state, the liberal chooses the state.

    This is one of the skeletons in the closet the left needs to deal with. I'd like to think this election brought that home, but I doubt it-especially after the sad excuses Ive heard up to this point.
    As a conservative you are an expert at personal freedoms. Only second to your knowledge of "liberalism". A well oiled thought machine.


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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont believe you stated this was in AK, but in any case it was a drop in the bucket, Kobie. A drop in the bucket.

    Minor point - Arkansas is AR, Alaska is AK

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey;1063961399You honestly have no clue what it is you're discussing. Raw numbers don't paint an image of [I
    anything[/I]. In raw numbers, we have more people living in poverty because we've also tripled our population in the last 100 years. However, in the general scope of things even the children living in poverty have daily access to food, shelter and basic social necessities. So again, not only is your understanding of the poverty alleviated flawed, it completely ignores how these things are measured to begin with.
    Lol I didn't give numbers, I gave percentages. Those haven't changed much. But if you are right and the war on poverty has been such a rousing success, I guess that means we can declare victory and reduce spending. Whats that? You want new programs and more spending? Sounds like you are calling in for more troops in the war on poverty. You don't do that sort of thing when you are winning.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If people are better of why do most households require both parents to work to make ends meet? Sorry, I just love flipping liberal arguments. The great thing about general arguments like this is that they are easy to flip.
    You're not flipping anything. Just like you had no clue what it actually takes to adopt a child or what goes into marriage law, you again have no concept of how the 'free market' has actually taken into consideration the fact that both parents work. Your claim has absolutely nothing to do with alleviating poverty and everything to do with pricing. More people working? Products go up in prices because more people can afford them. Free market. Ain't it great?

    Before the 1960s, you had people making ends meet with a single salary however that working class had virtually no social mobility. You were born working class? You died working class. It was the law of the land. Now, you can be born working class, utilize social programs and move up. That simply wasn't there before and it's the basis for the debt to society arguments. However, even without a debt to society argument, social programs have ensured that working class families don't fall into deeper poverty like the kind we saw in the 40s, 30s, 20s, 10s.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont believe you stated this was in AK, but in any case it was a drop in the bucket, Kobie. A drop in the bucket.
    Yeah, yeah, this is the death of the left, blah blah. Keep spiking the football, man.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    As a conservative you are an expert at personal freedoms. Only second to your knowledge of "liberalism". A well oiled thought machine.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yeah, yeah, this is the death of the left, blah blah. Keep spiking the football, man.
    Kobie, what specific post are you referring to?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Lol I didn't give numbers, I gave percentages.
    And you misunderstood what they were actually telling you. There's not much of a shock there. Or do you not realize that a 50% drop in poverty rates is an inherently good thing?

    Those haven't changed much. But if you are right and the war on poverty has been such a rousing success, I guess that means we can declare victory and reduce spending. Whats that? You want new programs and more spending? Sounds like you are calling in for more troops in the war on poverty. You don't do that sort of thing when you are winning.
    Ah, I want more social spending? Lol.... wha? No. I've argued for programs from going higher than 20%. Eliminating poverty is not a possibility or a reality. However, a country without social programs falls into social anomie. That's a fact.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kobie, what specific post are you referring to?
    Every single one of yours since Tuesday.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're not flipping anything. Just like you had no clue what it actually takes to adopt a child or what goes into marriage law, you again have no concept of how the 'free market' has actually taken into consideration the fact that both parents work. Your claim has absolutely nothing to do with alleviating poverty and everything to do with pricing. More people working? Products go up in prices because more people can afford them. Free market. Ain't it great?
    Actually, it has everything to do with supply. Anyway, I don't see how I didn't show I knew how marriage law or adoption worked.

    Before the 1960s, you had people making ends meet with a single salary however that working class had virtually no social mobility. You were born working class? You died working class. It was the law of the land. Now, you can be born working class, utilize social programs and move up. That simply wasn't there before and it's the basis for the debt to society arguments. However, even without a debt to society argument, social programs have ensured that working class families don't fall into deeper poverty like the kind we saw in the 40s, 30s, 20s, 10s.
    Where did you get that from? Plenty of people moved up before the 1960's. Social programs didn't make that a reality and arguably hasn't helped it much either.

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