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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your hyperbole is noted. However, even Libertarian scholars agree that a society with large amounts of poverty leads to anomie.
    Is it really hyperbole when my property is taken by force and later given to people in need? Why is it justified to take my property against my will to help George when the government is the party doing it, but not justified when anyone else takes my property against my will to help George? Anyway, I don't see what libertarian scholars agreeing with has to do with anything.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that Hillary's not going to care what the right-wing thinks. I think she's going to blow her agenda through the door with teh same ferver as FDR had. THAT was Obama's failing: he tried to be goodie two-shoes about it.
    That's not what I asked, but it does lead to another question though. What agenda does she have that is going to blow through the door?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogtowner View Post
    I am an American and I say yes.

    Economic ? Failed. Change.
    Foreign ? Failed. Change.
    Domestic ? Failed. Change.

    Only liberals in the fringe can fail to see this being willfully ignorant.
    Economic failed? really? when unemployment rate is under 6%, stock market is booming, deficit has been cut in half? What do you WANT?

    Foreign - I'd give a C grade, not fail

    Domestic - not sure what you mean by this. There are so many issues under this.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah - what indications do you have that liberal programs have failed?
    "In November 2012 the U.S. Census Bureau said more than 16% of the population lived in poverty, including almost 20% of American children,[7] up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993. In 2008, 13.2% (39.8 million) Americans lived in poverty.[8] Starting in the 1980s, relative poverty rates have consistently exceeded those of other wealthy nations.[9] California has a poverty rate of 23.5%, the highest of any state in the country.[10]

    In 2009 the number of people who were in poverty was approaching 1960s levels that led to the national War on Poverty.[11] In 2011 extreme poverty in the United States, meaning households living on less than $2 per day before government benefits, was double 1996 levels at 1.5 million households, including 2.8 million children.[12] This would be roughly 1.2% of the US population in 2011, presuming a mean household size of 2.55 people. Census data for 2011 showed that half the population qualified as low income.[13]

    In 2011, child poverty reached record high levels, with 16.7 million children living in food insecure households, about 35% more than 2007 levels.[14] A 2013 UNICEF report ranked the U.S. as having the second highest relative child poverty rates in the developed world.[15]"


    That's from WIKI. The bolded part alone demonstrates the failure of the war on poverty.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that the only ones that are going to care about any skeletons will be the Republicans, Fox News and right-wing radio. Nobody's perfect. I think that she has to offer is going to be a lot more different than the usual right-wing.
    Hillary is nothing more or less than a left wing representative of establishment status quo. Hillary is very much in bed with Big Business, old Washington establishment, and even the military/industrial complex. When you get Hillary you get the good old boy/girl network and the favors, and the back channel short cuts and all the inside staffers and advisors and paybacks and all the semi-royal wheeling and dealing that has, is, and will be, ****ing over everyday Americans for decades. Why in the world anyone would want another Clinton, Bush, Paul, Kennedy or any other family member of political careerist families is completely beyond me.

    God help us if the best Democrats and America can come up with is Hillary Clinton.










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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think it's far too early to say that Hillary's going to be a shoe in, and in addition to that, she's got an incredibly long and heavy caboose of skeletons in her closet she's gotta drag across the finish line; finally she's going to be quite a bit beyond the media age when most presidential candidates run for the presidency. All that, doesn't seem to me, to add up to being 'a shoe-in'.
    Just a minor point - it's "shoo-in" not "shoe-in"

    More major - there is no other Democrat stepping up who can challenge Clinton; and on the Republican side, I see only Jeb Bush (if he decides to run) and Susanna Martinez (who has said she doesn't want to run) as people who might beat her. Not sure either would get through the Republican primaries, and Bush has a lot of baggage in his name as well.

    Hillary Clinton did a good job as NY Senator and as Secretary of State. She's too conservative for me; she's even more conservative than Pres. Obama, who is a centrist himself; but I would vote for her over any of the likely Republican candidates at this point.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What does Hillary have to offer? Seriously. If two years from now, Obama is just as unpopular as he is today, how does Hillary differentiate herself from him? How does she excite the electorate? Sorry, but Hillary is as old-guard as McCain was in 2008. And will likely suffer the same fate.
    I'm in a very conservative county. Our Democratic club had a booth at the County Fair. We sold ALL of the Hillary buttons we had. There is a LOT of excitement about her candidacy out here.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So a handful of initiatives that passed in lefty states, while the dems lost House, Senate, and Governorship's was "fine"?
    Yes, that noted "lefty state" of Arkansas, which is now represented entirely by Republicans.

    I don't think you could miss the point more if you tried.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I'm in a very conservative county. Our Democratic club had a booth at the County Fair. We sold ALL of the Hillary buttons we had. There is a LOT of excitement about her candidacy out here.
    If you say so.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is it really hyperbole when my property is taken by force and later given to people in need? Why is it justified to take my property against my will to help George when the government is the party doing it, but not justified when anyone else takes my property against my will to help George? Anyway, I don't see what libertarian scholars agreeing with has to do with anything.
    By force, what nonsense. You live in a society of laws. You don't like those laws? You're under absolutely no obligation to live within it.
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