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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In some ways yes, and in some ways no.
    Ah - what indications do you have that liberal programs have failed? Is this kind of the same nonsense argument where you argued that war is peace? Because by every indicator, even our poor people are richer than those in any society that doesn't have social programs. Do you disagree? If you do. Please tell us how. Black poverty is at best a 3rd of what it was before social programs. Literacy is a non-issue (unlike the 1930s). Students have the opportunity to enroll in school without worrying about race or gender. Where exactly have these programs failed? Oh, you mean they didn't eliminate poverty entirely? Oh no! You mean to say that poverty exists no matter the political system? I bet it took you a lot to come up with that.

    Look, the programs have worked. Women aren't restricted from college, blacks can go to any university they please, even Libertarians admit that poor white people in the US have access to most methods of communication. How were all these people faring before the programs? Better? Nonsense. The Harlem Renaissance was a blip in the grand tapestry of things. It died before these programs even got underway. So no, liberal social programs haven't failed. What has happened is that there is a neoliberal part of society hellbent on proclaiming we were much better off before the 1960s. That's simply not true and the fact that you can't even come up with a relevant indicator of poverty is all the proof I need.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think it's far too early to say that Hillary's going to be a shoe in, and in addition to that, she's got an incredibly long and heavy caboose of skeletons in her closet she's gotta drag across the finish line; finally she's going to be quite a bit beyond the media age when most presidential candidates run for the presidency. All that, doesn't seem to me, to add up to being 'a shoe-in'.
    Shes old news. She's an old face. She's more of the same old same old. But if the left wants to roll with it, thats good news for her opposition.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think it's far too early to say that Hillary's going to be a shoe in, and in addition to that, she's got an incredibly long and heavy caboose of skeletons in her closet she's gotta drag across the finish line; finally she's going to be quite a bit beyond the media age when most presidential candidates run for the presidency. All that, doesn't seem to me, to add up to being 'a shoe-in'.
    I think that the only ones that are going to care about any skeletons will be the Republicans, Fox News and right-wing radio. Nobody's perfect. I think that she has to offer is going to be a lot more different than the usual right-wing.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that the only ones that are going to care about any skeletons will be the Republicans, Fox News and right-wing radio. Nobody's perfect. I think that she has to offer is going to be a lot more different than the usual right-wing.
    I think you are discounting how serious these skeletons in her closet are, not to mention her failed performance as SOS.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We do. However, that poverty has been ameliorated because of the social programs conservatives complain about. Do you disagree? Or are you going with the same nonsensical argument that we're poorer and we are worse off than 87% black poverty, through the roof crime rates and what was basically an illiterate society?



    That has nothing to do with what I said.
    What makes poverty disappear is capitalism. All social programs do is transfer around the wealth that capitalism has produced. So no, I don't credit social programs with reducing poverty.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think you are discounting how serious these skeletons in her closet are, not to mention her failed performance as SOS.
    While I'm not especially thrilled with her, the "skeletons" will be some manufactured crap ("what difference does it make?") and pictures of her looking frumpy.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I just don't see it, but okay.



    The republicans have done themselves in by isolating themselves demographically, which is why you're going to see an epic, continued push for voter ids in the coming years.
    Voter ID is a violation of the right to vote in my view. I'm hoping that it gets more and more flack and it won't fly at all in California and some other states. And I think that you're right about Republican demographics. I think it's still based on the old 19th century "political machine" for immigrants however in my view the advantages have slipped from good jobs and a place to live to a broader economic aid situation; medical included, that I don't like one bit. Noncitizens should have to work, but of course both parties have nearly stripped this country of good paying day to day jobs that the backbone of the country supported itself with.

    I wnet in to vote the other day, and I picked up an "I Voted" sticker and just put it on my shirt pocket without looking at it: turned out it was in Vietnamese...

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that the only ones that are going to care about any skeletons will be the Republicans, Fox News and right-wing radio. Nobody's perfect. I think that she has to offer is going to be a lot more different than the usual right-wing.
    What does Hillary have to offer? Seriously. If two years from now, Obama is just as unpopular as he is today, how does Hillary differentiate herself from him? How does she excite the electorate? Sorry, but Hillary is as old-guard as McCain was in 2008. And will likely suffer the same fate.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think you are discounting how serious these skeletons in her closet are, not to mention her failed performance as SOS.
    She didn't fail as SOS. And again, when it comes to the field, nobody's gonna care about Hillary's goofings.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What does Hillary have to offer? Seriously. If two years from now, Obama is just as unpopular as he is today, how does Hillary differentiate herself from him? How does she excite the electorate? Sorry, but Hillary is as old-guard as McCain was in 2008. And will likely suffer the same fate.
    I think that Hillary's not going to care what the right-wing thinks. I think she's going to blow her agenda through the door with teh same ferver as FDR had. THAT was Obama's failing: he tried to be goodie two-shoes about it.
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