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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, it couldn't possibly be a terrible campaign and uninspiring candidates. It must be liberalism. And pay absolutely no attention to the fact that the gained seats were in almost exclusively red states.
    I agree. They are stretching the data to try to pretend this is against liberalism.

    I think if the Dems had done a lot more talking about their accomplishments - lower deficit, lower unemployment, stronger economy, many more people covered by health insurance, etc - they would have done a lot better than they did by running from them.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I agree. They are stretching the data to try to pretend this is against liberalism.
    Right. When California, Massachusetts or New York goes red, then we'll talk.

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I think if the Dems had done a lot more talking about their accomplishments - lower deficit, lower unemployment, stronger economy, many more people covered by health insurance, etc - they would have done a lot better than they did by running from them.
    It would certainly have been a better strategy than the Democratic candidates saying "Obama? What's an 'Obama?' I didn't vote with Obama. Oh no no no, I don't think I've even met Obama!" Gawd...

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The only problem is that if they just stay home then it's that much harder to understand their motives. But it's sill to debate these semantics -- we can both agree that regardless of the voters' motives, the political candidates were certainly punished.

    Putting Hillary in as a candidate is a bad idea. She already had her shot and I don't see how she's going to be significantly better the next time around.
    I don't care for Hillary; but she's gonna run. She'll win too - it's the momentum. I think that teh Republicans have done themselves in for a while with respect to the presidency. From Reagan to GW Bush the Republicans have done nothing but give people a very bad time; the wages and benefits have been suppressed, we are all but workaholics in this country now. The competition in the job market is strctly an employer's game these days due to the near destruction of the trades and shipping of our work overseas, not to mention the deregulated economy and the idolizing of the golden calf (bull market) that has crashed this economy. I don't think Hillary is going to be much different, but I think that people are ready to see what a woman will do: particulary one closely connected to Sen Elizabeth Warren who I find to be a breath of fresh on target academic genius air when it comes to ecnomics in this country.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I thought the liberal argument was that we already do live in a society rife with poverty and social inequality.
    We do. However, that poverty has been ameliorated because of the social programs conservatives complain about. Do you disagree? Or are you going with the same nonsensical argument that we're poorer and we are worse off than 87% black poverty, through the roof crime rates and what was basically an illiterate society?

    Personally, I believe a society structured on rights, limited government, individual liberty and voluntary exchange and interaction is far preferable to anything you might have read.
    That has nothing to do with what I said.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh, so my property rights are irrelevant? So instead of coming up with an idea that doesn't abuse people to help others it's best to just say my property rights are irrelevant because people need help. Yeah, **** that. Tell me again, why is issuing violence onto people to help others justified behavior? Go on, tell me.
    Your hyperbole is noted. However, even Libertarian scholars agree that a society with large amounts of poverty leads to anomie.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Out of wedlock births were much lower and marriage rates were much higher before WW2. The single biggest predictor of poverty is single parenthood. Now the state is the husband. Hows that turning out?
    And yet, we've never been richer as a society. Or do you think we were better off before the 1960s? Please tell me you do.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    God no. When Democrats actually show some balls and run as liberals they usually win. Instead the Democrats have moved more and more right and are now getting their ass kicked.
    Really? Do please tell me more about how often this happens.
    'Cause I'm struggling to think of any examples of this, where the more liberal the positions a politician takes the greater the chances of his being elected.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And yet, we've never been richer as a society. Or do you think we were better off before the 1960s? Please tell me you do.
    In some ways yes, and in some ways no.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Sure; showing up and getting in there is being energized to participate. I think that not showing up and participating with your team is a way of punishing your team - because you don't like them for some reason - pick one. Pundits and journalists have been saying however that when there is very low voter turnout, as in this case, the Republicans usually win, which is what has happened. The same thing happened to Clinton in '96: he had signed NAFTA and there was some other stuff ( I can't remember now: Lewenski came in '98), and Clinton had to live with it too. Same thing happened to GW (no majority for him) and Reagn had to deal with a split.

    Nothing big to me. Like I said; there's going to be a test now and that will lead the Repulicans into 2016. Hillary I'm afraid is going to be a shoe in, so what she gets will be very interesting.
    I think it's far too early to say that Hillary's going to be a shoe in, and in addition to that, she's got an incredibly long and heavy caboose of skeletons in her closet she's gotta drag across the finish line; finally she's going to be quite a bit beyond the media age when most presidential candidates run for the presidency. All that, doesn't seem to me, to add up to being 'a shoe-in'.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I don't care for Hillary; but she's gonna run. She'll win too - it's the momentum.

    I just don't see it, but okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that teh Republicans have done themselves in for a while with respect to the presidency. From Reagan to GW Bush the Republicans have done nothing but give people a very bad time; the wages and benefits have been suppressed, we are all but workaholics in this country now. The competition in the job market is strctly an employer's game these days due to the near destruction of the trades and shipping of our work overseas, not to mention the deregulated economy and the idolizing of the golden calf (bull market) that has crashed this economy. I don't think Hillary is going to be much different, but I think that people are ready to see what a woman will do: particulary one closely connected to Sen Elizabeth Warren who I find to be a breath of fresh on target academic genius air when it comes to ecnomics in this country.
    The republicans have done themselves in by isolating themselves demographically, which is why you're going to see an epic, continued push for voter ids in the coming years.

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