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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    God no. When Democrats actually show some balls and run as liberals they usually win. Instead the Democrats have moved more and more right and are now getting their ass kicked.


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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Theres just many logical shortcomings in that post. To hash it out would require me spending the rest of my morning explaining, it would be a waste of my time. Im just not willing to do that.
    I don't see what it was about Moot's post that was so over-the-top crazy, but if you think it had shortcomings then debate them like an adult. Otherwise it seems like you've just started a flame-bait thread: you already "knew" the answer to your question, and you're just here to laugh at anybody with a different perspective and refuse to offer up any debate. It's immature.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Sure; showing up and getting in there is being energized to participate. I think that not showing up and participating with your team is a way of punishing your team - because you don't like them for some reason - pick one. Pundits and journalists have been saying however that when there is very low voter turnout, as in this case, the Republicans usually win, which is what has happened. The same thing happened to Clinton in '96: he had signed NAFTA and there was some other stuff ( I can't remember now: Lewenski came in '98), and Clinton had to live with it too. Same thing happened to GW (no majority for him) and Reagn had to deal with a split.

    Nothing big to me. Like I said; there's going to be a test now and that will lead the Repulicans into 2016. Hillary I'm afraid is going to be a shoe in, so what she gets will be very interesting.
    The only problem is that if they just stay home then it's that much harder to understand their motives. But it's sill to debate these semantics -- we can both agree that regardless of the voters' motives, the political candidates were certainly punished.

    Putting Hillary in as a candidate is a bad idea. She already had her shot and I don't see how she's going to be significantly better the next time around.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Nope, no more than when it invariably happens to the Republicans in a couple of years, it will be a condemnation of "conservatism". In a two-party system, they aren't voting for or against the political philosophy, they're voting against the party in power. The philosophy doesn't matter and since the American public has shown that it doesn't think either party is worth a damn, it will just vacillate back and forth.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    I am an American and I say yes.

    Economic ? Failed. Change.
    Foreign ? Failed. Change.
    Domestic ? Failed. Change.

    Only liberals in the fringe can fail to see this being willfully ignorant.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It is more likely that the right wing's definition of a liberal is a myth.



    1. Obama was re-elected in 2012 and hasn't really done anything since to make the mid-term election against liberalism. That would suggest the country is more liberal than it is conservative but that a lot of liberals didn't vote in the mid-term.

    2. Liberal referendums such as minimum wage, legalizing pot, abortion, gun control were overwhelmingly voted for and the conservative ideas, issues and values were rejected.


    This election was very weird. It seems that money won the election, not the people.

    In my state of Utah, the Democrat, Doug Owen only had 100K to campaign with but his Republican contender, Mia Love got a lot of outside money and had over 4 million in campaign funds. Mia Love only won by about 4K votes. That's not an overwhelming victory by any standards. Dems in my area are feeling kinda bad because we didn't donate more to Owens campaign so he could've at least have had a commercial. That might have made the difference and put him over the top.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You do understand how a "refutation of liberalism" and being "on the wrong track" are two entirely different concepts, right?
    Not in this election. There's a long laundry list of sordid activities Obama and the liberals have been caught / engaged in that the American people revolted against.

    For the House Dems to have a nut case like Nancy Pelosi for their pick-of-the-litter leader just shows how absolutely debased their party is. And Obama is her intellectual equal, which isn't saying much.
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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Not in this election. There's a long laundry list of sordid activities Obama and the liberals have been caught / engaged in that the American people revolted against.

    For the House Dems to have a nut case like Nancy Pelosi for their pick-of-the-litter leader just shows how absolutely debased their party is. And Obama is her intellectual equal, which isn't saying much.
    And can you understand how everything you've just said can still be different from liberalism?

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    People have a lot of different reasons for how they vote. I vote against unions quite often, for example, so when unions are funneling vast sums of money to a particular candidate's campaign, I vote against that candidate. Admittedly it is a lesser of two evils approach which in principle I abhor, so other times if there isn't a compelling issue underlying the candidates, I will vote on principle and for an independent/third party.

    Other people vote based on abortion or gay marriage or whatever the hell stupid issue.

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    Re: Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

    Probably a rejection of Obama, not necessarily liberalism. I don't consider him a liberal to begin with. His appointing wall streeters like geithner and summers, and anti labor people like pritzker to important positions. His proposals for austerity and putting liberal programs like social security on the chopping , something even a republican wouldn't do. Ignoring single payer and pushing through ACA another indication. Wanting to legalize and give work permits to millions of illegal immigrants especially at a time when jobs are scarce to begin with? So I voted I'm a left leaning American and no, not a rejection of liberalism.

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