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Thread: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And since only two EO's have been overturned because they created or altered legislation, what you have created with this thread is a red herring and probably also a leading question
    yet you aren't willing to vote......

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think its more nuanced. I think the executive should enforce the laws passed by congress. However, I also think that executive orders are a necessary component of a functioning government. I also think that being Obama has issued them at a lower rate than any other president in over a century, that all the complaining about his use of them is just partisan bitching.
    Alright. And would complaint from you be partisan bitching in the counterfactual where a Republican president unilaterally rewrote our entitlements? If a new (R) POTUS only unilaterally rewrites entitlement legislation, rewrites the tax code, and criminalizes abortion, gosh, that's only three, right?

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yet you aren't willing to vote......
    I don't vote in threads with dishonest OP's
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't vote in threads with dishonest OP's
    The question is simply whether or not the President's planned actions would be legal. You aren't voting to protect yourself

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The question is simply whether or not the President's planned actions would be legal. You aren't voting to protect yourself
    How does not voting in your poll protect me in any way, and from what?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Read the OP its a general question and made the comparison between an executive order on immigration and a hypothetical one on entitlement reform. Then argued it was some kind of president. Its hardly a president when you are doing something at a lower rate than any other president since Grover Cleveland.
    Apples and apple seeds. There is nothing wrong with executive orders in general, so the number of which they did is irrelevant. The OPs question was whether a specific order would be constitutional.

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think its more nuanced. I think the executive should enforce the laws passed by congress. However, I also think that executive orders are a necessary component of a functioning government. I also think that being Obama has issued them at a lower rate than any other president in over a century, that all the complaining about his use of them is just partisan bitching.
    And again, they arent complaining about executive orders, only CERTAIN ones.

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    How does not voting in your poll protect me in any way, and from what?
    It saves you from the cognitive dissonance and making a stand that can be referenced later. Either you have to break from the President, or give up your right to complain when Republican Presidents do the same thing later.

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Not being an ACTUAL constitutional scholar, I still believe the answer is 'no'. The president has access to a discretionary budget but that is provided to him by Congress. Congress must raise funds and authorize spending.

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    Re: Is it LEGAL for POTUS to "borrow" legislative power to pass immigration reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The question is simply whether or not the President's planned actions would be legal.
    What are his planned actions?

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