Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

grip said:

The best chance we have at changing the system slowly, without waiting for it to fail or tearing it apart, are term limits and campaign reform. The system isn't as broken as the administering of it is.

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Mr. Invisible said:

Unfortunately that has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.

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Mr. Invisible said:

I honestly don't believe that you can use this system to change the system. It has been used to benefit a few at the expense of the many. It's like saying, "I want to reform this broken and shattered system, so now let me join in this broken and shattered system." It honestly doesn't make any sense, at least to me.

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Risky Thicket said:

It's the only voice we have left. But, I don't believe America will make a choice. We will wait until it all falls apart.

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Mr. Invisible said:

I vehemently disagree with that. I honestly think that we should just drop out of the system where we can and form alternatives that actually work. We're already doing this like that with media, so why not apply it to other projects as well.

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DaveFagan said:

If you are confused about Syria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, Russia
Then read the linked article in its' entirety, please.

Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar
Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

"By Eric Zuesse

(The following report reconstructs U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy, on the basis of what I have deemed to be reliable news accounts of his Administration's actions, not of its mere words. This reconstruction is grounded in the linked-to news-sources, all of which I have investigated and verified -- and some of which I wrote. The ones that I wrote are themselves sourced to the links within those reports, all of which I have, likewise, personally checked and verified. Consequently, the chain of verifications back to this reconstruction's primary sources is available to any online reader, and every reader is encouraged to track back to its ultimate source any allegation that might appear to be at all questionable to him or her in the present article. Not only will this exercise be helpful to the reader concerning that given point at question, but it will open that person to an associated world of deeper discovery, which I hope that this news-report and analysis will do for many readers, and which is the reason I wrote it: so as to share with others what I and other careful and cautious researchers have discovered, though it might be, in some instances, starkly at variance with what our Government, and most of the press, have been more commonly presenting as ‘truth' about these matters. At least, this exercise will provide an alternative frame of reference regarding these issues, an alternative possibility to consider, and which I have verified, from every root to every branch, in this tree of historical reconstruction of the events.)"


"The recent bombings in Syria, and in Ukraine, are a business-operation being carried out as a war (and also very profitable for U.S. armaments-makers, who likewise are controlled by America's aristocrats and so this is a double-whammy for America's aristocracy -- and U.S. arms-makers have consequently been soaring on the stock market). It's basically a grab by U.S. and Sunni aristocrats, from Russian and Shiite aristocrats, of the market to supply oil and gas into Europe. And it provides other advantages, too, for U.S. aristocrats."

Is this an International energy war?

Is the USA allying with scumbags?

Is this good business for USA weapons manufacturers?

Is there anything about liberty and democracy involved here?

Did the USA vote to support Big Energy wars?

Does the article and links explain clearly the "Big Picture?"
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Jango said:

The world's only superpower does indeed have its hand in many cookie jars. It is backed by all of known human history that the strongest leads the pack. For the life of me I can't understand why some Americans are so anti-America. I suppose that they don't understand that the world is a hyper-competitive ugly mess of affairs. But that is typically not the case. I suppose then that they don't realize that being the pack leader in a hyper-competitive ugly mess we call a civilization requires that the pack leader take certain steps to ensure that its power is secured long into the future. But that too is typically not the case either. Perhaps complacency has turned into apathy? No, that does not typically happen either. What if it is the party or parties involved in writing and distributing mostly anti-American sentiments, like RT, Press TV, Alex Jones or even hostile intelligence agencies like those from Russia. Oddly enough, the criticism hurled towards America from Americans on message boards far outweigh the criticisms hurled towards Russia by Russians or Americans. Obviously, if you're comprehending what I'm saying up to this point can be simplified: foreign linguistic manipulators are exploiting gullible minds into going against their own self-interests I.e. attacking their own government and calling into question not only the President, but his administration and every other lever of power that exists. These so-called info warriors are either naively ignorant or purposely ignorant, as sowing discontent into the fabric of a society has a tendency to cause explosive moments. Anti-American Americans are quick to call out the Iranian coup of 1953 as an example of U.S. wickedness yet fail to point out the current day operation being carried out by Russia upon the United States and Ukraine and they already finished their program in Crimea resulting in its annexation. Vladimir Putin wants to revitalize the Soviet Union and he wants to destroy the United States, he's made that point perfectly clear, especially after a person has read his book which covered an asymmetrical warfare plan to create internal revolutions in the United States. The extremists who hold the view that the U.S. is all bad and accuse it for manipulating everyone and having everyone under mind control have apparently been brainwashed into either not recognizing or admitting that the Russians are masters at propaganda themselves, see: The theory that the C.I.A. assassinated President Kennedy. Many believe that, but the only important fact out of that erroneous belief is that the person who believe that is believing Soviet KGB propaganda. The same goes for believing the theory that the C.I.A. released the AIDS virus into African-American communities. Belief in that is believing Soviet KGB propaganda once again. Funnier still is that the completely brainwashed American Anti-Americans routinely tell people, "Wake up sheeple." The irony is right there: they, the caller out of so-called sheeple, are certified sheeple themselves on the account of their definitions and explanations of what a sheeple really is.

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ecofarm said:

Globalresearch.ca

:lamo

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ModerateGOP said:

Did you write this response based on the sketchiness of the link that is posted here? if so I agree!

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Jango said:

And that's where you fail. You cannot stop it. No single person can. Millions of Americans have tried to rein in executive power and power that is held by Big Business. We've failed. The fight was already lost long before I joined the pointless struggle for 'Change'. The institutions people want overturned so badly are too ingrained into the giant moving mass called the U.S. Government. While some may believe that they personally have a snowball's chance in hell to make any significant change in the way the government does its business, history has repeatedly shown that it is rarely the case. Sure, a ****storm in the media may pop up, but after six months, hardly anyone at all is talking about the ****storm that happened six months ago. Business as usual. And a protest movement is not going to unseat the D.C. or Wall Street business as usual types. It is a pipedream.

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ModerateGOP said:

Obama's Presidency is the perfect illustration of this. It's easier to succumb to the greed and corruption than it is to rise above it. That's why only a handful of people in History have elevated to such levels and some of them might not even be real (Jesus, and others from the Bible). Some of them were just as corrupt as any one person in government is today (founding fathers) etc...etc...

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ModerateGOP said:

Anti-American BS from a website that looks like it was written by a little kid that has a bad grasp on the HTML language. That and the incredulous link to Globalresearch.ca in the very article that is posted here. There is one rule when it comes to the GR website. Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites Globalresearch, they are almost certainly wrong.!!! That complete with links to other random blogs with information that can barely be looked at (thanks to the horrible site layout) and cannot be verified. I wouldn't believe a single thing on this site!

You wanna know why this news isn't on CNN or Fox News. It's because it's completely fake!!! Furthermore, if this author is indeed the same Conspiracy Theorist, RT lover, and "Alternative Journalist" Eric Zuesse of the same name. I disbelieve much more of this writing... Do you people research anything??!!

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DaveFagan said:

1. I note that you have not provided one iota of information to counter the information contained within the post and its' many links.
2. Stop watching USA TV. It's not news. It's an agenda.
3. You are the one that does not research.

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Jango said:

Rising above the greed and corruption from a Presidential level can have this kind of effect on a person:

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ModerateGOP said:

There are a few problems with your response and I will highlight them below.

1. I have provided evidence to dismiss the claims on the website that you linked to. You just chose to ignore it. A) It's not professional looking. B) It links to unverifiable sources of information. Which are often overarching conspiracy theories that make no sense whatsoever.
2. I have a hard time believing that you ignore US News. Since you are actively engaged in a US political forum and live in what I guess NY which is located in the US, based on your profile information. However, from what I can gather from that strange anti-US rant. Like how you demanded I stop watching USA TV. It appears it is you and not I who has the agenda here... I am not demanding that you don't read that weird blog. I just pointed out it's horrible layout and links to Conspiracy websites. You chose to ignore that information.
3. So have you researched Globalresearch.ca and their crazy posting history? Because I have, and I wouldn't trust them WITH a ten foot poll. They wouldn't know what to do with it!

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DaveFagan said:

Same old crappola. Nothing in your post about the MidEast and the subject of discussion.

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ModerateGOP said:

I don't discuss made up news stories. I do my best to point out why they are not to be trusted. If you actually cared about what was going on, you would know that these sources are bunk! There is no point debating about the possibility of the Earth being Flat.

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DaveFagan said:

As for your attack that I am anti-USA, you are absolutely incorrect, but batting 1000%. I'm a genuine patriot and pro-USA. I am anti CIA, anti "war is good business," anti Imperialism, anti Empire, anti NWO, anti CorpGov, anti Federal Reserve, anti "too big to fail" Banks, anti torture or more simply stated, I am anti Corporate and pro Working stiffs. That'd be the taxpayers.

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DaveFagan said:

If you are confused about Syria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, Russia
Then read the linked article in its' entirety, please.

Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

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Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

"By Eric Zuesse

(The following report reconstructs U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy, on the basis of what I have deemed to be reliable news accounts of his Administration's actions, not of its mere words. This reconstruction is grounded in the linked-to news-sources, all of which I have investigated and verified -- and some of which I wrote. The ones that I wrote are themselves sourced to the links within those reports, all of which I have, likewise, personally checked and verified. Consequently, the chain of verifications back to this reconstruction's primary sources is available to any online reader, and every reader is encouraged to track back to its ultimate source any allegation that might appear to be at all questionable to him or her in the present article. Not only will this exercise be helpful to the reader concerning that given point at question, but it will open that person to an associated world of deeper discovery, which I hope that this news-report and analysis will do for many readers, and which is the reason I wrote it: so as to share with others what I and other careful and cautious researchers have discovered, though it might be, in some instances, starkly at variance with what our Government, and most of the press, have been more commonly presenting as ‘truth' about these matters. At least, this exercise will provide an alternative frame of reference regarding these issues, an alternative possibility to consider, and which I have verified, from every root to every branch, in this tree of historical reconstruction of the events.)"


"The recent bombings in Syria, and in Ukraine, are a business-operation being carried out as a war (and also very profitable for U.S. armaments-makers, who likewise are controlled by America's aristocrats and so this is a double-whammy for America's aristocracy -- and U.S. arms-makers have consequently been soaring on the stock market). It's basically a grab by U.S. and Sunni aristocrats, from Russian and Shiite aristocrats, of the market to supply oil and gas into Europe. And it provides other advantages, too, for U.S. aristocrats."

Is this an International energy war?

Is the USA allying with scumbags?

Is this good business for USA weapons manufacturers?

Is there anything about liberty and democracy involved here?

Did the USA vote to support Big Energy wars?

Does the article and links explain clearly the "Big Picture?"
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Risky Thicket said:

Absolutely. And pray for a soft landing. May be that a soft landing is all we can hope for at this point.

When I read the OP I could not help but think of a fine Republican, President Dwight Eisenhower:

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ModerateGOP said:

The US wouldn't exist without more than half of those things. The other half of those viewpoints are broad generalizations that have no meaning to me thanks to various self-righteous political groups hijacking those terms for their own political agendas. Furthermore, I don't care about your viewpoints on random issues that have nothing to do with the misinformation presented in this topic. YOU posted the link full of BS and really bad sources. Why not admit it and move on? Instead, you deflect and ignore. Why?

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Removable Mind said:

Transparency in our government is a joke. Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make it accountable...truly accountable. It's moving in the opposite direct. The Executive office -- obviously the same problem. The S.C., activism has become it's primary role. As you pretty much alluded to in your previous post. We haven't yet reached the bottom, but, rapidly moving our way.

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Lovebug said:

None of this will change either, unless we stop bouncing between the 2 parties, the 2 which seem to have each other's back to keep themselves on top.
If there ever was a time to vote the rug out from under them, it is now.

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