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Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

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If you are confused about Syria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, Russia
Then read the linked article in its' entirety, please.

Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

"By Eric Zuesse
(The following report reconstructs U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy, on the basis of what I have deemed to be reliable news accounts of his Administration's actions, not of its mere words. This reconstruction is grounded in the linked-to news-sources, all of which I have investigated and verified -- and some of which I wrote. The ones that I wrote are themselves sourced to the links within those reports, all of which I have, likewise, personally checked and verified. Consequently, the chain of verifications back to this reconstruction's primary sources is available to any online reader, and every reader is encouraged to track back to its ultimate source any allegation that might appear to be at all questionable to him or her in the present article. Not only will this exercise be helpful to the reader concerning that given point at question, but it will open that person to an associated world of deeper discovery, which I hope that this news-report and analysis will do for many readers, and which is the reason I wrote it: so as to share with others what I and other careful and cautious researchers have discovered, though it might be, in some instances, starkly at variance with what our Government, and most of the press, have been more commonly presenting as ‘truth' about these matters. At least, this exercise will provide an alternative frame of reference regarding these issues, an alternative possibility to consider, and which I have verified, from every root to every branch, in this tree of historical reconstruction of the events.)"


"The recent bombings in Syria, and in Ukraine, are a business-operation being carried out as a war (and also very profitable for U.S. armaments-makers, who likewise are controlled by America's aristocrats and so this is a double-whammy for America's aristocracy -- and U.S. arms-makers have consequently been soaring on the stock market). It's basically a grab by U.S. and Sunni aristocrats, from Russian and Shiite aristocrats, of the market to supply oil and gas into Europe. And it provides other advantages, too, for U.S. aristocrats."

Is this an International energy war?

Is the USA allying with scumbags?

Is this good business for USA weapons manufacturers?

Is there anything about liberty and democracy involved here?

Did the USA vote to support Big Energy wars?

Does the article and links explain clearly the "Big Picture?"
 
The world's only superpower does indeed have its hand in many cookie jars. It is backed by all of known human history that the strongest leads the pack. For the life of me I can't understand why some Americans are so anti-America. I suppose that they don't understand that the world is a hyper-competitive ugly mess of affairs. But that is typically not the case. I suppose then that they don't realize that being the pack leader in a hyper-competitive ugly mess we call a civilization requires that the pack leader take certain steps to ensure that its power is secured long into the future. But that too is typically not the case either. Perhaps complacency has turned into apathy? No, that does not typically happen either. What if it is the party or parties involved in writing and distributing mostly anti-American sentiments, like RT, Press TV, Alex Jones or even hostile intelligence agencies like those from Russia. Oddly enough, the criticism hurled towards America from Americans on message boards far outweigh the criticisms hurled towards Russia by Russians or Americans. Obviously, if you're comprehending what I'm saying up to this point can be simplified: foreign linguistic manipulators are exploiting gullible minds into going against their own self-interests I.e. attacking their own government and calling into question not only the President, but his administration and every other lever of power that exists. These so-called info warriors are either naively ignorant or purposely ignorant, as sowing discontent into the fabric of a society has a tendency to cause explosive moments. Anti-American Americans are quick to call out the Iranian coup of 1953 as an example of U.S. wickedness yet fail to point out the current day operation being carried out by Russia upon the United States and Ukraine and they already finished their program in Crimea resulting in its annexation. Vladimir Putin wants to revitalize the Soviet Union and he wants to destroy the United States, he's made that point perfectly clear, especially after a person has read his book which covered an asymmetrical warfare plan to create internal revolutions in the United States. The extremists who hold the view that the U.S. is all bad and accuse it for manipulating everyone and having everyone under mind control have apparently been brainwashed into either not recognizing or admitting that the Russians are masters at propaganda themselves, see: The theory that the C.I.A. assassinated President Kennedy. Many believe that, but the only important fact out of that erroneous belief is that the person who believe that is believing Soviet KGB propaganda. The same goes for believing the theory that the C.I.A. released the AIDS virus into African-American communities. Belief in that is believing Soviet KGB propaganda once again. Funnier still is that the completely brainwashed American Anti-Americans routinely tell people, "Wake up sheeple." The irony is right there: they, the caller out of so-called sheeple, are certified sheeple themselves on the account of their definitions and explanations of what a sheeple really is.
 
It's business as usual. It was business as usual under Bush and it will be business as usual after Obama. Corpgov controls the government of the United States. Anyone who doesn't know that is an idiot. Sadly, Americans are willfully ignorant. The thought is it is better to ignore what is really going on in Washington and be an idiot than it is to be involved and not have the time or the money to play with my adult toys.

Two ruling parties are really one philosophy = soak the suckers for all the money and power you can get. The People are the willing suckers.
 
It's business as usual. It was business as usual under Bush and it will be business as usual after Obama. Corpgov controls the government of the United States. Anyone who doesn't know that is an idiot. Sadly, Americans are willfully ignorant. The thought is it is better to ignore what is really going on in Washington and be an idiot than it is to be involved and not have the time or the money to play with my adult toys.

Two ruling parties are really one philosophy = soak the suckers for all the money and power you can get. The People are the willing suckers.

Unfortunately, what you say is exactly true. the term "CorpGov" is another word for NWO and I didn't vote to be governed by any Corporations. I don't know how to stop it.
 
Seems all of BO's secret deals are coming out.....First Iran and now these two.
 
The world's only superpower does indeed have its hand in many cookie jars. It is backed by all of known human history that the strongest leads the pack. For the life of me I can't understand why some Americans are so anti-America. I suppose that they don't understand that the world is a hyper-competitive ugly mess of affairs. But that is typically not the case. I suppose then that they don't realize that being the pack leader in a hyper-competitive ugly mess we call a civilization requires that the pack leader take certain steps to ensure that its power is secured long into the future. But that too is typically not the case either. Perhaps complacency has turned into apathy? No, that does not typically happen either. What if it is the party or parties involved in writing and distributing mostly anti-American sentiments, like RT, Press TV, Alex Jones or even hostile intelligence agencies like those from Russia. Oddly enough, the criticism hurled towards America from Americans on message boards far outweigh the criticisms hurled towards Russia by Russians or Americans. Obviously, if you're comprehending what I'm saying up to this point can be simplified: foreign linguistic manipulators are exploiting gullible minds into going against their own self-interests I.e. attacking their own government and calling into question not only the President, but his administration and every other lever of power that exists. These so-called info warriors are either naively ignorant or purposely ignorant, as sowing discontent into the fabric of a society has a tendency to cause explosive moments. Anti-American Americans are quick to call out the Iranian coup of 1953 as an example of U.S. wickedness yet fail to point out the current day operation being carried out by Russia upon the United States and Ukraine and they already finished their program in Crimea resulting in its annexation. Vladimir Putin wants to revitalize the Soviet Union and he wants to destroy the United States, he's made that point perfectly clear, especially after a person has read his book which covered an asymmetrical warfare plan to create internal revolutions in the United States. The extremists who hold the view that the U.S. is all bad and accuse it for manipulating everyone and having everyone under mind control have apparently been brainwashed into either not recognizing or admitting that the Russians are masters at propaganda themselves, see: The theory that the C.I.A. assassinated President Kennedy. Many believe that, but the only important fact out of that erroneous belief is that the person who believe that is believing Soviet KGB propaganda. The same goes for believing the theory that the C.I.A. released the AIDS virus into African-American communities. Belief in that is believing Soviet KGB propaganda once again. Funnier still is that the completely brainwashed American Anti-Americans routinely tell people, "Wake up sheeple." The irony is right there: they, the caller out of so-called sheeple, are certified sheeple themselves on the account of their definitions and explanations of what a sheeple really is.

I understand what you are saying. "My Country, right or wrong." I don't agree with that. If you claim to stand on or occupy high moral ground, as the USA does, then you are equally obligated to do what makes your citizen/taxpayers proud. Corporate Wars for Oligarchs is not a proud undertaking. It's not about police actions and spreading liberty and justice for all, but acquisition of money and power for Corporate America.
 
I understand what you are saying. "My Country, right or wrong." I don't agree with that. If you claim to stand on or occupy high moral ground, as the USA does, then you are equally obligated to do what makes your citizen/taxpayers proud. Corporate Wars for Oligarchs is not a proud undertaking. It's not about police actions and spreading liberty and justice for all, but acquisition of money and power for Corporate America.

Not really, no. I criticize illegal and unconstitutional actions all the time, be it an event that happened recently or long before I was born. I just haven't allowed all of the dirt I've found under the rug to radicalize me into hating my own country. I accept that bad things have happened but why not try to fix those problems instead of knocking our entire nation to the ground as some Americans would love to see be done. Obviously, that is the height of ignorance.
 
Not really, no. I criticize illegal and unconstitutional actions all the time, be it an event that happened recently or long before I was born. I just haven't allowed all of the dirt I've found under the rug to radicalize me into hating my own country. I accept that bad things have happened but why not try to fix those problems instead of knocking our entire nation to the ground as some Americans would love to see be done. Obviously, that is the height of ignorance.

Actually, it is an attempt to inform the USA citizens of what their Nation is doing, in their name, so that they know what to fix.
 
Unfortunately, what you say is exactly true. the term "CorpGov" is another word for NWO and I didn't vote to be governed by any Corporations. I don't know how to stop it.

And that's where you fail. You cannot stop it. No single person can. Millions of Americans have tried to rein in executive power and power that is held by Big Business. We've failed. The fight was already lost long before I joined the pointless struggle for 'Change'. The institutions people want overturned so badly are too ingrained into the giant moving mass called the U.S. Government. While some may believe that they personally have a snowball's chance in hell to make any significant change in the way the government does its business, history has repeatedly shown that it is rarely the case. Sure, a ****storm in the media may pop up, but after six months, hardly anyone at all is talking about the ****storm that happened six months ago. Business as usual. And a protest movement is not going to unseat the D.C. or Wall Street business as usual types. It is a pipedream.
 
Actually, it is an attempt to inform the USA citizens of what their Nation is doing, in their name, so that they know what to fix.

Yeah, there's a way to do that without having to sensationalize just about every word in the message. Also, it leaves out a lot of important contextual facts that coincide with the so-called immoral behavior that only the U.S. does.
 
Unfortunately, what you say is exactly true. the term "CorpGov" is another word for NWO and I didn't vote to be governed by any Corporations. I don't know how to stop it.

I think we have to use the system to change the system, Dave. We must find a way to convince most Americans who are too damned lazy to vote or too damned lazy to be politically informed that voting the party line is a fool's game. We must force drastic campaign law changes. It will be difficult because we will be fighting big money, big media for the attention of people who have quit listening and who have quit thinking for themselves.

Billy Sol Estes, a crook from long ago was once asked by a federal crime commission why he didn't steal the huge amount of investment money once and get away free. Estes said, "You can shear a sheep twice a year, but you can only slaughter it once." The very wealthy and the very powerful and their toadie politicians have been shearing the People for decades now. Money and power are very much concentrated among a small percentage of people. There ain't too much more to shear. Corpgov is greedy. They cannot stop themselves. They are going to bankrupt the country. Living in America is going to become very unfun for most people. A major bank or two will fail and the fit will start to hit the shan.

In short, Americans have the power to stop the train wreck from becoming worse. We won't. We will wait until it is unavoidable. Then things will change.
 
I think we have to use the system to change the system, Dave. We must find a way to convince most Americans who are too damned lazy to vote or too damned lazy to be politically informed that voting the party line is a fool's game. We must force drastic campaign law changes. It will be difficult because we will be fighting big money, big media for the attention of people who have quit listening and who have quit thinking for themselves.

Billy Sol Estes, a crook from long ago was once asked by a federal crime commission why he didn't steal the huge amount of investment money once and get away free. Estes said, "You can shear a sheep twice a year, but you can only slaughter it once." The very wealthy and the very powerful and their toadie politicians have been shearing the People for decades now. Money and power are very much concentrated among a small percentage of people. There ain't too much more to shear. Corpgov is greedy. They cannot stop themselves. They are going to bankrupt the country. Living in America is going to become very unfun for most people. A major bank or two will fail and the fit will start to hit the shan.

In short, Americans have the power to stop the train wreck from becoming worse. We won't. We will wait until it is unavoidable. Then things will change.

I agree with every word of your post. We pray for a soft landing, I guess. Very unlikely however. It is the huge fraud in our economy that is the core problem. An incurable trap. When alternative bank accounts can manipulate underlying fundamentals and numbers at the level of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve CORPORATION, the end will be nigh.
 
I agree with every word of your post. We pray for a soft landing, I guess. Very unlikely however. It is the huge fraud in our economy that is the core problem. An incurable trap. When alternative bank accounts can manipulate underlying fundamentals and numbers at the level of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve CORPORATION, the end will be nigh.

Absolutely. And pray for a soft landing. May be that a soft landing is all we can hope for at this point.

When I read the OP I could not help but think of a fine Republican, President Dwight Eisenhower:

 
Absolutely. And pray for a soft landing. May be that a soft landing is all we can hope for at this point.

When I read the OP I could not help but think of a fine Republican, President Dwight Eisenhower:



Great video, Risky. Over 50 years since Eisenhower's warning...and what are we seeing? We've become a nation dependent on wars to keep our economy afloat.

What happened to the good old days of having an oil economy? Oh wait, forgot. The Saudis nationalize their oil. For some strange reason they didn't like getting paid a $1.67 a barrel from foreign companies who were in control of oil output and prices. Oh, and now, of course, speculators support low oil output to keep prices sky high. We've recently seen evidence of such since the Saudis increased the output in response to the ISSI's blackmarket oil sales to get money to support their war in Iraq and Syria. We're now seeing post apocalyptic gas prices. Just saw $2.69 a gallon prices in Austin, yesterday.

The truly worst part...

Transparency in our government is a joke. Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make it accountable...truly accountable. It's moving in the opposite direct. The Executive office -- obviously the same problem. The S.C., activism has become it's primary role. As you pretty much alluded to in your previous post. We haven't yet reached the bottom, but, rapidly moving our way.
 
If you are confused about Syria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, Russia
Then read the linked article in its' entirety, please.

Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

"By Eric Zuesse
(The following report reconstructs U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy, on the basis of what I have deemed to be reliable news accounts of his Administration's actions, not of its mere words. This reconstruction is grounded in the linked-to news-sources, all of which I have investigated and verified -- and some of which I wrote. The ones that I wrote are themselves sourced to the links within those reports, all of which I have, likewise, personally checked and verified. Consequently, the chain of verifications back to this reconstruction's primary sources is available to any online reader, and every reader is encouraged to track back to its ultimate source any allegation that might appear to be at all questionable to him or her in the present article. Not only will this exercise be helpful to the reader concerning that given point at question, but it will open that person to an associated world of deeper discovery, which I hope that this news-report and analysis will do for many readers, and which is the reason I wrote it: so as to share with others what I and other careful and cautious researchers have discovered, though it might be, in some instances, starkly at variance with what our Government, and most of the press, have been more commonly presenting as ‘truth' about these matters. At least, this exercise will provide an alternative frame of reference regarding these issues, an alternative possibility to consider, and which I have verified, from every root to every branch, in this tree of historical reconstruction of the events.)"


"The recent bombings in Syria, and in Ukraine, are a business-operation being carried out as a war (and also very profitable for U.S. armaments-makers, who likewise are controlled by America's aristocrats and so this is a double-whammy for America's aristocracy -- and U.S. arms-makers have consequently been soaring on the stock market). It's basically a grab by U.S. and Sunni aristocrats, from Russian and Shiite aristocrats, of the market to supply oil and gas into Europe. And it provides other advantages, too, for U.S. aristocrats."

Is this an International energy war?

Is the USA allying with scumbags?

Is this good business for USA weapons manufacturers?

Is there anything about liberty and democracy involved here?

Did the USA vote to support Big Energy wars?

Does the article and links explain clearly the "Big Picture?"

I realize that lots of people like that particular theory, but can't really see that it works. It doesn't fit the US economic philosophy either. You see, the amount of oil or natural gas stays the same. The only difference is how well integrated the markets are to one another. The American policy is relatively strongly focused on having a united market, which is best for economic reasons, than a segmented one is. That was a problem for Europe that had made itself so dependent on Russian deliveries that it was no longer capable of short term independent action, where Russia was concerned.
 
Great video, Risky. Over 50 years since Eisenhower's warning...and what are we seeing? We've become a nation dependent on wars to keep our economy afloat.

What happened to the good old days of having an oil economy? Oh wait, forgot. The Saudis nationalize their oil. For some strange reason they didn't like getting paid a $1.67 a barrel from foreign companies who were in control of oil output and prices. Oh, and now, of course, speculators support low oil output to keep prices sky high. We've recently seen evidence of such since the Saudis increased the output in response to the ISSI's blackmarket oil sales to get money to support their war in Iraq and Syria. We're now seeing post apocalyptic gas prices. Just saw $2.69 a gallon prices in Austin, yesterday.

The truly worst part...

Transparency in our government is a joke. Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make it accountable...truly accountable. It's moving in the opposite direct. The Executive office -- obviously the same problem. The S.C., activism has become it's primary role. As you pretty much alluded to in your previous post. We haven't yet reached the bottom, but, rapidly moving our way.

Bang on the money! Exactly.

I think I am going to make that my signature quote.
 
Bang on the money! Exactly.

I think I am going to make that my signature quote.

You're taking your life in your own hands. You'll have half of the DP members biting at your ankles for posting it. But you might want clean up my post a little. "Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make *** itself*** accountable...truly accountable." :lol:
 
The best chance we have at changing the system slowly, without waiting for it to fail or tearing it apart, are term limits and campaign reform. The system isn't as broken as the administering of it is.
 
The best chance we have at changing the system slowly, without waiting for it to fail or tearing it apart, are term limits and campaign reform. The system isn't as broken as the administering of it is.

True enough, but do we know how much time we have before the balloon goes up on the economy?

I distinctly remember people saying after Clinton that once the Republicans took office they would be able to begin to turn the country around. Nothing happened. When Bush was about to step down Democrats said that if they could regain the power things would begin to change and the country would turn around. Nada. Indeed, Obama ran on the buzzword "Change". Did we get change? No.

People have less money, less freedom and are less happy than before and that has been going on for decades. That momentum hasn't been reversed. Nothing much at all has improved for most Americans. We have seen the huge continuation of wealth transfer from the middle to the upper class. We seen freedoms erode to less than we've ever had. In many ways things have progressively become less or worse than they were previously, one administration after another.

Still people continue to vote for either party and repeat the same mantra, "once _____ gets into office we can start working on turning things around". Things don't turn around and yet Americans continue to believe the same lies from damned near the same people in Washington.

I have zero faith in either party. I may vote for a Republican or a Democrat from time to time. More often than not I don't. Certainly I would NEVER vote for a Republican or Democrat for president. I vote third party. I vote to impose term limits by never voting for anyone who has served 2 terms. NEVER/ANYONE.

It amazes me, blows me away that people would even consider voting for a person who is a member of a political family. How are more Bushes, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens, Romneys, Pauls, etc. going to make things better? I don't want their good old boy network contacts, the old establishment way of doing things, the long established private money/power/friendships/teams in my government. I want those bastards out. If I don't want career politicians why the hell would I want families of career politicians? That just all but guarantees more of what the country doesn't need.

I'd love to start with campaign reform and term limits. Strict campaign reform. It would be a great beginning. Washington would never work so hard in a bi-partisan way as it would to stop a real, robust, organized threat to impose serious campaign reform and term limits with no grandfathering.
 
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In short, Americans have the power to stop the train wreck from becoming worse. We won't. We will wait until it is unavoidable. Then things will change.

I just hate your cynicism...but I share it.
 
True enough, but do we know how much time we have before the balloon goes up on the economy?

I distinctly remember people saying after Clinton that once the Republicans took office they would be able to begin to turn the country around. Nothing happened. When Bush was about to step down Democrats said that if they could regain the power things would begin to change and the country would turn around. Nada. Indeed, Obama ran on the buzzword "Change". Did we get change? No.

People have less money, less freedom and are less happy than before and that has been going on for decades. That momentum hasn't been reversed. Nothing much at all has improved for most Americans. We have seen the huge continuation of wealth transfer from the middle to the upper class. We seen freedoms erode to less than we've ever had. In many ways things have progressively become less or worse than they were previously, one administration after another.

Still people continue to vote for either party and repeat the same mantra, "once _____ gets into office we can start working on turning things around". Things don't turn around and yet Americans continue to believe the same lies from damned near the same people in Washington.

I have zero faith in either party. I may vote for a Republican or a Democrat from time to time. More often than not I don't. Certainly I would NEVER vote for a Republican or Democrat for president. I vote third party. I vote to impose term limits by never voting for anyone who has served 2 terms. NEVER/ANYONE.

It amazes me, blows me away that people would even consider voting for a person who is a member of a political family. How are more Bushes, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens, Romneys, Pauls, etc. going to make things better? I don't want their good old boy network contacts, the old establishment way of doing things, the long established private money/power/friendships/teams in my government. I want those bastards out. If I don't want career politicians why the hell would I want families of career politicians? That just all but guarantees more of what the country doesn't need.

I'd love to start with campaign reform and term limits. Strict campaign reform. It would be a great beginning. Washington would never work so hard in a bi-partisan way as it would to stop a real, robust, organized threat to impose serious campaign reform and term limits with no grandfathering.


I've seen two threads here addressing the issue of government dissatisfaction. One was, "Is there a perfect government?" My post in that thread said, "there can only be a government as good as the people". The other one is trying to rewrite the Constitution, but I told the thread leaders that it's not broken and improbable that we could ever agree on changing the whole thing.

The problem isn't with our form of government, rather it's with the nature and weakness of people. A simple set of laws and rules could govern all of society, if people could but abide by them and their application. Alan Greenspan was asked could he have prevented the credit bust, which caused the 2008 Recession? And he said with a grin, "No, and it will happen again." He knew that it was self interest that drives people and though it's an asset in some ways, it's also a cause of most of our social ills.

People are creatures of habit and will keep repeating the same methodology out of familiarity, which is comfortable. Only changing the type of politicians, by removing some of the big money influence, can we rebuild the system to help the working class.
 
Bang on the money! Exactly.

Removable Mind: Transparency in our government is a joke. Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make it accountable...truly accountable. It's moving in the opposite direct. The Executive office -- obviously the same problem. The S.C., activism has become it's primary role.

Risky, found the following link this morning, which is a shining example of Congress shielding itself from accountability. Although the article is pointing at the right. If it wasn't the right trying to circumvent "a type of campaign finance reform which would eliminate almost untraceable big money being dropped into dubious nonprofit PACs" it would surely be the left. Both sides have fought to keep lots of special interests money flowing into their coffers.

Yes a few in Washington have opposed the current campaign funding rules, regulations (which are now almost none). But something tells me that's a dog and pony show.

WASHINGTON -- Over the past three years, House Republicans have repeatedly tried, and failed, to bar federal agencies from adopting regulations to govern the campaign finance landscape created by the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision. Now, with their party seizing control of the Senate, that effort to stop new rules may win, too.

The Senate will likely be led next year by the primary antagonist to campaign finance reformers, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Over three decades, McConnell has made it a top priority to disrupt and degrade campaign finance regulations. With a firm belief that limits on campaign funds are a direct impediment to the First Amendment right of free speech, he has opposed past reform efforts, including challenging in court the 2002 McCain-Feingold law, the passage of which he once called the worst day in his political career.

~~~Snip~~~

After a host of congressional hearings, firings and suspensions, the IRS announced a rulemaking procedure to write new regulations covering both the way it undertakes the approval and review of tax-exempt status and the means by which it judges whether a tax-exempt group has spent an inappropriate amount of time electioneering.

~~~Snip~~~

If Congress moves to block new IRS rules on nonprofits' political spending through a rider or other means, Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, said he will fight it. "This is open and shut that the [current] regulations do not comply with the law," he said. "If Congress blocks this, we will bring our lawsuit again."

But Fred Wertheimer is not focused only on the fate of potential IRS regulations. Since 2011, Republicans have also introduced legislation and attempted to attach spending-bill riders to gut the ability of other agencies -- including the Federal Communications Commission and the Securities and Exchange Commission -- to write rules on campaign funding and spending. Even when the Republican measures didn't pass, the threat was felt.

Mitch McConnell's Triumph Strikes Worry In The Hearts Of Campaign Finance Reformers

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In other words, just another attempt to avoid accountability. And the American people should make no mistake, it's been happening on both sides of the isle in one fashion or another. They are equally guilty.

This issue has significant implications in how it impacts the voters voice as they aren't equipped to create the types of PAC that influence their interests like big money entities. But the bad part is in the loopholes in the current laws prevent disclosure of who is dumping 10's of millions into almost instantly appearing PACs created by supposedly nonprofits at the latter stages of elections (1 month prior to general elections). These nonprofits strongly appear to be loophole scams and there's no way to enforce regulations to prevent them from forming and "anonymously" funnel huge amounts in last minute efforts to gain favor for candidates.

And once again, although my post is pointed a the right's reaction to rules and regulations regarding campaign reform - the left would ultimately want to intervene to prevent such rule, regulations and laws from taking place or being enforced. Freewheeling, unlimited donations are landing in the laps of both Republicans and Democrats....with no way to know who specifically who the figureheads of these so-called nonprofit PACS are, nor who the big money contributors are who put huge sums in them.
 
Risky, found the following link this morning, which is a shining example of Congress shielding itself from accountability. Although the article is pointing at the right. If it wasn't the right trying to circumvent "a type of campaign finance reform which would eliminate almost untraceable big money being dropped into dubious nonprofit PACs" it would surely be the left. Both sides have fought to keep lots of special interests money flowing into their coffers.

Yes a few in Washington have opposed the current campaign funding rules, regulations (which are now almost none). But something tells me that's a dog and pony show.



Mitch McConnell's Triumph Strikes Worry In The Hearts Of Campaign Finance Reformers

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In other words, just another attempt to avoid accountability. And the American people should make no mistake, it's been happening on both sides of the isle in one fashion or another. They are equally guilty.

This issue has significant implications in how it impacts the voters voice as they aren't equipped to create the types of PAC that influence their interests like big money entities. But the bad part is in the loopholes in the current laws prevent disclosure of who is dumping 10's of millions into almost instantly appearing PACs created by supposedly nonprofits at the latter stages of elections (1 month prior to general elections). These nonprofits strongly appear to be loophole scams and there's no way to enforce regulations to prevent them from forming and "anonymously" funnel huge amounts in last minute efforts to gain favor for candidates.

And once again, although my post is pointed a the right's reaction to rules and regulations regarding campaign reform - the left would ultimately want to intervene to prevent such rule, regulations and laws from taking place or being enforced. Freewheeling, unlimited donations are landing in the laps of both Republicans and Democrats....with no way to know who specifically who the figureheads of these so-called nonprofit PACS are, nor who the big money contributors are who put huge sums in them.


That is a fine post, RM! You nailed it. That is much of what bothers me. Washington is adamantly opposed to any real change and certainly the change they are most likely to fight in a bi-partisan effort is campaign finance reform.

Perhaps the way to attack it is to attack term limits first with no grandfathering. That should take some of the incentive away from the career political parasites who do little more than lord it up in DC on the People's nickel. McConnell is an excellent example of that. To be fair and just close your eyes and throw a dart at the Hill and most of the ruling class are like that. They are not - no, nay, never - going to give up the semi-royal deal they have going. The public will have to take it away.

What's worse it that big bidness, Wall Street and the like are very much opposed to clean, honest and fair elections as well. We don't know how much money from big bidness is filtered through PACs but we must assume that it amounts 10s and 10s of millions. Not to mention foreign money dark money. Anyone reading this who doesn't think foreign money buys American politician and American foreign policy and favorable trade policy speak up. We all know that it happens. That is in no way democracy in action. It is treason in my world.

We get all hinky because someone voted 12 times in East Jesus, Idaho, but at the same time Saudi Arabia spends countless millions to buy favorable American policy and trade by throwing dark money around and thus buying elections - and Americans say nothing. Israel and god know how many other foreign nations buy politicians and policy and in essence pee on the American political process and Congress with money stuffed in its pockets just grinning and backslapping.

All the while huge American businesses own Congress on a daily basis. Big business owns Washington. Owns it. Big business damn sure doesn't want any American to have a fair, open and honest government. Campaign reform efforts will have all of the money and power of all of the above working together to stop it.
 
That is a fine post, RM! You nailed it. That is much of what bothers me. Washington is adamantly opposed to any real change and certainly the change they are most likely to fight in a bi-partisan effort is campaign finance reform.

Perhaps the way to attack it is to attack term limits first with no grandfathering. That should take some of the incentive away from the career political parasites who do little more than lord it up in DC on the People's nickel. McConnell is an excellent example of that. To be fair and just close your eyes and throw a dart at the Hill and most of the ruling class are like that. They are not - no, nay, never - going to give up the semi-royal deal they have going. The public will have to take it away.

What's worse it that big bidness, Wall Street and the like are very much opposed to clean, honest and fair elections as well. We don't know how much money from big bidness is filtered through PACs but we must assume that it amounts 10s and 10s of millions. Not to mention foreign money dark money. Anyone reading this who doesn't think foreign money buys American politician and American foreign policy and favorable trade policy speak up. We all know that it happens. That is in no way democracy in action. It is treason in my world.

We get all hinky because someone voted 12 times in East Jesus, Idaho, but at the same time Saudi Arabia spends countless millions to buy favorable American policy and trade by throwing dark money around and thus buying elections - and Americans say nothing. Israel and god know how many other foreign nations buy politicians and policy and in essence pee on the American political process and Congress with money stuffed in its pockets just grinning and backslapping.

All the while huge American businesses own Congress on a daily basis. Big business owns Washington. Owns it. Big business damn sure doesn't want any American to have a fair, open and honest government. Campaign reform efforts will have all of the money and power of all of the above working together to stop it.

Your points can't be more succinct. The more complex government becomes to the electorate, the more powerless they believe they are to remedy self-will-run-riot governments actions.

I agree with your opinion about term limits w/o a grandfather clause.

On BBC I recently listened to a former Russian elected official who said that they would purposely create public distractions by starting what appeared to internal fights over thing like gay rights and other unimportant social agendas to "keep from being accountable.

BINGO!

On iPhone, but again you touched on a number of important issue that are allowing government to exploit the citizens.

Thanks....
 
I think we have to use the system to change the system, Dave. We must find a way to convince most Americans who are too damned lazy to vote or too damned lazy to be politically informed that voting the party line is a fool's game. We must force drastic campaign law changes. It will be difficult because we will be fighting big money, big media for the attention of people who have quit listening and who have quit thinking for themselves.

Billy Sol Estes, a crook from long ago was once asked by a federal crime commission why he didn't steal the huge amount of investment money once and get away free. Estes said, "You can shear a sheep twice a year, but you can only slaughter it once." The very wealthy and the very powerful and their toadie politicians have been shearing the People for decades now. Money and power are very much concentrated among a small percentage of people. There ain't too much more to shear. Corpgov is greedy. They cannot stop themselves. They are going to bankrupt the country. Living in America is going to become very unfun for most people. A major bank or two will fail and the fit will start to hit the shan.

In short, Americans have the power to stop the train wreck from becoming worse. We won't. We will wait until it is unavoidable. Then things will change.


I honestly don't believe that you can use this system to change the system. It has been used to benefit a few at the expense of the many. It's like saying, "I want to reform this broken and shattered system, so now let me join in this broken and shattered system." It honestly doesn't make any sense, at least to me.
 
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