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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    There are a few problems with your response and I will highlight them below.

    1. I have provided evidence to dismiss the claims on the website that you linked to. You just chose to ignore it. A) It's not professional looking. B) It links to unverifiable sources of information. Which are often overarching conspiracy theories that make no sense whatsoever.
    2. I have a hard time believing that you ignore US News. Since you are actively engaged in a US political forum and live in what I guess NY which is located in the US, based on your profile information. However, from what I can gather from that strange anti-US rant. Like how you demanded I stop watching USA TV. It appears it is you and not I who has the agenda here... I am not demanding that you don't read that weird blog. I just pointed out it's horrible layout and links to Conspiracy websites. You chose to ignore that information.
    3. So have you researched Globalresearch.ca and their crazy posting history? Because I have, and I wouldn't trust them WITH a ten foot poll. They wouldn't know what to do with it!
    Same old crappola. Nothing in your post about the MidEast and the subject of discussion.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Same old crappola. Nothing in your post about the MidEast and the subject of discussion.
    I don't discuss made up news stories. I do my best to point out why they are not to be trusted. If you actually cared about what was going on, you would know that these sources are bunk! There is no point debating about the possibility of the Earth being Flat.
    There's no greater irony than a Trump supporter pointing out hypocrisy; Unless it's Trump himself.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    I don't discuss made up news stories. I do my best to point out why they are not to be trusted. If you actually cared about what was going on, you would know that these sources are bunk! There is no point debating about the possibility of the Earth being Flat.
    As for your attack that I am anti-USA, you are absolutely incorrect, but batting 1000%. I'm a genuine patriot and pro-USA. I am anti CIA, anti "war is good business," anti Imperialism, anti Empire, anti NWO, anti CorpGov, anti Federal Reserve, anti "too big to fail" Banks, anti torture or more simply stated, I am anti Corporate and pro Working stiffs. That'd be the taxpayers.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    As for your attack that I am anti-USA, you are absolutely incorrect, but batting 1000%. I'm a genuine patriot and pro-USA. I am anti CIA, anti "war is good business," anti Imperialism, anti Empire, anti NWO, anti CorpGov, anti Federal Reserve, anti "too big to fail" Banks, anti torture or more simply stated, I am anti Corporate and pro Working stiffs. That'd be the taxpayers.

    The US wouldn't exist without more than half of those things. The other half of those viewpoints are broad generalizations that have no meaning to me thanks to various self-righteous political groups hijacking those terms for their own political agendas. Furthermore, I don't care about your viewpoints on random issues that have nothing to do with the misinformation presented in this topic. YOU posted the link full of BS and really bad sources. Why not admit it and move on? Instead, you deflect and ignore. Why?
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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If you are confused about Syria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, Russia
    Then read the linked article in its' entirety, please.

    Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    "By Eric Zuesse
    (The following report reconstructs U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy, on the basis of what I have deemed to be reliable news accounts of his Administration's actions, not of its mere words. This reconstruction is grounded in the linked-to news-sources, all of which I have investigated and verified -- and some of which I wrote. The ones that I wrote are themselves sourced to the links within those reports, all of which I have, likewise, personally checked and verified. Consequently, the chain of verifications back to this reconstruction's primary sources is available to any online reader, and every reader is encouraged to track back to its ultimate source any allegation that might appear to be at all questionable to him or her in the present article. Not only will this exercise be helpful to the reader concerning that given point at question, but it will open that person to an associated world of deeper discovery, which I hope that this news-report and analysis will do for many readers, and which is the reason I wrote it: so as to share with others what I and other careful and cautious researchers have discovered, though it might be, in some instances, starkly at variance with what our Government, and most of the press, have been more commonly presenting as ‘truth' about these matters. At least, this exercise will provide an alternative frame of reference regarding these issues, an alternative possibility to consider, and which I have verified, from every root to every branch, in this tree of historical reconstruction of the events.)"


    "The recent bombings in Syria, and in Ukraine, are a business-operation being carried out as a war (and also very profitable for U.S. armaments-makers, who likewise are controlled by America's aristocrats and so this is a double-whammy for America's aristocracy -- and U.S. arms-makers have consequently been soaring on the stock market). It's basically a grab by U.S. and Sunni aristocrats, from Russian and Shiite aristocrats, of the market to supply oil and gas into Europe. And it provides other advantages, too, for U.S. aristocrats."

    Is this an International energy war?

    Is the USA allying with scumbags?

    Is this good business for USA weapons manufacturers?

    Is there anything about liberty and democracy involved here?

    Did the USA vote to support Big Energy wars?

    Does the article and links explain clearly the "Big Picture?"


    If these are really secret deals, then how does anyone know anything about them?

    I won't be reading anything posted at Weird News Daily.
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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Absolutely. And pray for a soft landing. May be that a soft landing is all we can hope for at this point.

    When I read the OP I could not help but think of a fine Republican, President Dwight Eisenhower:



    Ike was a great guy, I wish that we had a lot of Republicans like him right now.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    The US wouldn't exist without more than half of those things. The other half of those viewpoints are broad generalizations that have no meaning to me thanks to various self-righteous political groups hijacking those terms for their own political agendas. Furthermore, I don't care about your viewpoints on random issues that have nothing to do with the misinformation presented in this topic. YOU posted the link full of BS and really bad sources. Why not admit it and move on? Instead, you deflect and ignore. Why?
    Again you have failed to produce any evidence to refute the post. The Saudis have chopped OIL prices, USA is attempting to kill the Russian economy that relies on OIL. USA arms and supports alQueda, USA arms and supports "Moderate Syrian rebels." USA smuggles arms to Syrian rebels through Turkey. USA attempts to topple Assad. USA topples Yanukovych in Ukraine. USA color revolutions follow CIA/NED funding. USA topples Qaddaffi. USA helps military in coup in Egypt. And the list is infinite. Looks to me like the USA is the "Terror War." "War is good business, and business is good."

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Transparency in our government is a joke. Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make it accountable...truly accountable. It's moving in the opposite direct. The Executive office -- obviously the same problem. The S.C., activism has become it's primary role. As you pretty much alluded to in your previous post. We haven't yet reached the bottom, but, rapidly moving our way.
    None of this will change either, unless we stop bouncing between the 2 parties, the 2 which seem to have each other's back to keep themselves on top.
    If there ever was a time to vote the rug out from under them, it is now.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    None of this will change either, unless we stop bouncing between the 2 parties, the 2 which seem to have each other's back to keep themselves on top.
    If there ever was a time to vote the rug out from under them, it is now.
    I don't disagree. I mean that I'd like to say there's only one direction to point the finger of blame. But I'm not sure I can do that considering how our system of government has the influence it does over the social agendas of the citizens. But more importantly, the power its cultivated over the last 230 plus years to protect its on interests.

    I've never been a supporter for term limits, but since the electorate apparently isn't capable of making the demands on the Washington Royalty to legislate laws, which would force them to be transparent and accountable, then term limits seems like the only remedy to get the message across.

    Most people are busy trying to keep up with life on a daily basis. Most people feel removed from the roles that they have in our government, which collectively they serve as the fourth branch of government. That's an important responsibility.

    How can the average working persons become more proactive in the process?

    Should we insist on growing our citizens' knowledge of our system of government via our education curriculum, in a substantially more profound way than our present efforts, in order to ensure everybody thoroughly understands all of functions of government? Should we somehow force government to allow for a more effective method for the average citizen to vet political candidates who aspire to serve in a government role?

    Given the critical role citizens play in preserving our Republic form of government. How can average citizens' mindset be influence to believe in the power of their role? Apathy seems to be more commonplace than average people feeling empowered by their role in our Republic form of government.

    It's difficult for most people to get politically involved other than voting. When most people are concerned about how to pay bills and manage some type of balance between work and family. What can be done to the make the playing field more fair for the fourth branch of government? How can average people be empowered to create a louder voice in our system of government?

    As a result of the United Citizens vs FCC ruling, how are ordinary people going to find the time and resources to compete with Super PACs and dark money that's filling the coffers of elected officials?

    There's an amazing percentage of people who can't tell you who their mayors or councilmen and women are, much less who represents them in their state and federal level seats. The vetting of new candidates for the average person would seem to be much easier with the invent of the Internet. Yet, it's become a huge instrument for shelling out more outlandish propaganda that's filled with inaccurate information and/or dishonest information.

    A hell of a lot of people who consume information about the politics of the day can't discern the difference between opinion and facts. That's a major advantage for political machines, political candidates, and those occupying seats in government.

    Dunno where we're headed?

    Thanks..

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