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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Unfortunately, what you say is exactly true. the term "CorpGov" is another word for NWO and I didn't vote to be governed by any Corporations. I don't know how to stop it.
    I think we have to use the system to change the system, Dave. We must find a way to convince most Americans who are too damned lazy to vote or too damned lazy to be politically informed that voting the party line is a fool's game. We must force drastic campaign law changes. It will be difficult because we will be fighting big money, big media for the attention of people who have quit listening and who have quit thinking for themselves.

    Billy Sol Estes, a crook from long ago was once asked by a federal crime commission why he didn't steal the huge amount of investment money once and get away free. Estes said, "You can shear a sheep twice a year, but you can only slaughter it once." The very wealthy and the very powerful and their toadie politicians have been shearing the People for decades now. Money and power are very much concentrated among a small percentage of people. There ain't too much more to shear. Corpgov is greedy. They cannot stop themselves. They are going to bankrupt the country. Living in America is going to become very unfun for most people. A major bank or two will fail and the fit will start to hit the shan.

    In short, Americans have the power to stop the train wreck from becoming worse. We won't. We will wait until it is unavoidable. Then things will change.










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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I think we have to use the system to change the system, Dave. We must find a way to convince most Americans who are too damned lazy to vote or too damned lazy to be politically informed that voting the party line is a fool's game. We must force drastic campaign law changes. It will be difficult because we will be fighting big money, big media for the attention of people who have quit listening and who have quit thinking for themselves.

    Billy Sol Estes, a crook from long ago was once asked by a federal crime commission why he didn't steal the huge amount of investment money once and get away free. Estes said, "You can shear a sheep twice a year, but you can only slaughter it once." The very wealthy and the very powerful and their toadie politicians have been shearing the People for decades now. Money and power are very much concentrated among a small percentage of people. There ain't too much more to shear. Corpgov is greedy. They cannot stop themselves. They are going to bankrupt the country. Living in America is going to become very unfun for most people. A major bank or two will fail and the fit will start to hit the shan.

    In short, Americans have the power to stop the train wreck from becoming worse. We won't. We will wait until it is unavoidable. Then things will change.
    I agree with every word of your post. We pray for a soft landing, I guess. Very unlikely however. It is the huge fraud in our economy that is the core problem. An incurable trap. When alternative bank accounts can manipulate underlying fundamentals and numbers at the level of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve CORPORATION, the end will be nigh.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I agree with every word of your post. We pray for a soft landing, I guess. Very unlikely however. It is the huge fraud in our economy that is the core problem. An incurable trap. When alternative bank accounts can manipulate underlying fundamentals and numbers at the level of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve CORPORATION, the end will be nigh.
    Absolutely. And pray for a soft landing. May be that a soft landing is all we can hope for at this point.

    When I read the OP I could not help but think of a fine Republican, President Dwight Eisenhower:











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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Absolutely. And pray for a soft landing. May be that a soft landing is all we can hope for at this point.

    When I read the OP I could not help but think of a fine Republican, President Dwight Eisenhower:

    Great video, Risky. Over 50 years since Eisenhower's warning...and what are we seeing? We've become a nation dependent on wars to keep our economy afloat.

    What happened to the good old days of having an oil economy? Oh wait, forgot. The Saudis nationalize their oil. For some strange reason they didn't like getting paid a $1.67 a barrel from foreign companies who were in control of oil output and prices. Oh, and now, of course, speculators support low oil output to keep prices sky high. We've recently seen evidence of such since the Saudis increased the output in response to the ISSI's blackmarket oil sales to get money to support their war in Iraq and Syria. We're now seeing post apocalyptic gas prices. Just saw $2.69 a gallon prices in Austin, yesterday.

    The truly worst part...

    Transparency in our government is a joke. Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make it accountable...truly accountable. It's moving in the opposite direct. The Executive office -- obviously the same problem. The S.C., activism has become it's primary role. As you pretty much alluded to in your previous post. We haven't yet reached the bottom, but, rapidly moving our way.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If you are confused about Syria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, Russia
    Then read the linked article in its' entirety, please.

    Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    "By Eric Zuesse
    (The following report reconstructs U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy, on the basis of what I have deemed to be reliable news accounts of his Administration's actions, not of its mere words. This reconstruction is grounded in the linked-to news-sources, all of which I have investigated and verified -- and some of which I wrote. The ones that I wrote are themselves sourced to the links within those reports, all of which I have, likewise, personally checked and verified. Consequently, the chain of verifications back to this reconstruction's primary sources is available to any online reader, and every reader is encouraged to track back to its ultimate source any allegation that might appear to be at all questionable to him or her in the present article. Not only will this exercise be helpful to the reader concerning that given point at question, but it will open that person to an associated world of deeper discovery, which I hope that this news-report and analysis will do for many readers, and which is the reason I wrote it: so as to share with others what I and other careful and cautious researchers have discovered, though it might be, in some instances, starkly at variance with what our Government, and most of the press, have been more commonly presenting as ‘truth' about these matters. At least, this exercise will provide an alternative frame of reference regarding these issues, an alternative possibility to consider, and which I have verified, from every root to every branch, in this tree of historical reconstruction of the events.)"


    "The recent bombings in Syria, and in Ukraine, are a business-operation being carried out as a war (and also very profitable for U.S. armaments-makers, who likewise are controlled by America's aristocrats and so this is a double-whammy for America's aristocracy -- and U.S. arms-makers have consequently been soaring on the stock market). It's basically a grab by U.S. and Sunni aristocrats, from Russian and Shiite aristocrats, of the market to supply oil and gas into Europe. And it provides other advantages, too, for U.S. aristocrats."

    Is this an International energy war?

    Is the USA allying with scumbags?

    Is this good business for USA weapons manufacturers?

    Is there anything about liberty and democracy involved here?

    Did the USA vote to support Big Energy wars?

    Does the article and links explain clearly the "Big Picture?"
    I realize that lots of people like that particular theory, but can't really see that it works. It doesn't fit the US economic philosophy either. You see, the amount of oil or natural gas stays the same. The only difference is how well integrated the markets are to one another. The American policy is relatively strongly focused on having a united market, which is best for economic reasons, than a segmented one is. That was a problem for Europe that had made itself so dependent on Russian deliveries that it was no longer capable of short term independent action, where Russia was concerned.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Great video, Risky. Over 50 years since Eisenhower's warning...and what are we seeing? We've become a nation dependent on wars to keep our economy afloat.

    What happened to the good old days of having an oil economy? Oh wait, forgot. The Saudis nationalize their oil. For some strange reason they didn't like getting paid a $1.67 a barrel from foreign companies who were in control of oil output and prices. Oh, and now, of course, speculators support low oil output to keep prices sky high. We've recently seen evidence of such since the Saudis increased the output in response to the ISSI's blackmarket oil sales to get money to support their war in Iraq and Syria. We're now seeing post apocalyptic gas prices. Just saw $2.69 a gallon prices in Austin, yesterday.

    The truly worst part...

    Transparency in our government is a joke. Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make it accountable...truly accountable. It's moving in the opposite direct. The Executive office -- obviously the same problem. The S.C., activism has become it's primary role. As you pretty much alluded to in your previous post. We haven't yet reached the bottom, but, rapidly moving our way.
    Bang on the money! Exactly.

    I think I am going to make that my signature quote.










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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Bang on the money! Exactly.

    I think I am going to make that my signature quote.
    You're taking your life in your own hands. You'll have half of the DP members biting at your ankles for posting it. But you might want clean up my post a little. "Congress will do nothing to legislate the laws needed to make *** itself*** accountable...truly accountable."

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    The best chance we have at changing the system slowly, without waiting for it to fail or tearing it apart, are term limits and campaign reform. The system isn't as broken as the administering of it is.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The best chance we have at changing the system slowly, without waiting for it to fail or tearing it apart, are term limits and campaign reform. The system isn't as broken as the administering of it is.
    True enough, but do we know how much time we have before the balloon goes up on the economy?

    I distinctly remember people saying after Clinton that once the Republicans took office they would be able to begin to turn the country around. Nothing happened. When Bush was about to step down Democrats said that if they could regain the power things would begin to change and the country would turn around. Nada. Indeed, Obama ran on the buzzword "Change". Did we get change? No.

    People have less money, less freedom and are less happy than before and that has been going on for decades. That momentum hasn't been reversed. Nothing much at all has improved for most Americans. We have seen the huge continuation of wealth transfer from the middle to the upper class. We seen freedoms erode to less than we've ever had. In many ways things have progressively become less or worse than they were previously, one administration after another.

    Still people continue to vote for either party and repeat the same mantra, "once _____ gets into office we can start working on turning things around". Things don't turn around and yet Americans continue to believe the same lies from damned near the same people in Washington.

    I have zero faith in either party. I may vote for a Republican or a Democrat from time to time. More often than not I don't. Certainly I would NEVER vote for a Republican or Democrat for president. I vote third party. I vote to impose term limits by never voting for anyone who has served 2 terms. NEVER/ANYONE.

    It amazes me, blows me away that people would even consider voting for a person who is a member of a political family. How are more Bushes, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens, Romneys, Pauls, etc. going to make things better? I don't want their good old boy network contacts, the old establishment way of doing things, the long established private money/power/friendships/teams in my government. I want those bastards out. If I don't want career politicians why the hell would I want families of career politicians? That just all but guarantees more of what the country doesn't need.

    I'd love to start with campaign reform and term limits. Strict campaign reform. It would be a great beginning. Washington would never work so hard in a bi-partisan way as it would to stop a real, robust, organized threat to impose serious campaign reform and term limits with no grandfathering.
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    Re: Obama's Secret Deals With Saudi Arabia & Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    In short, Americans have the power to stop the train wreck from becoming worse. We won't. We will wait until it is unavoidable. Then things will change.
    I just hate your cynicism...but I share it.

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