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Thread: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    First of all, you have provided no backing to your claims about there being next to no women in the LP aside from anecdotal horse**** about women being too weak to embrace freedom. Second of all, where did you get the idea that libertarians somehow don't support a safe and secure environment? Third, you absolutely were trying to say that women are weak and dependent. That's exactly how I took that...as would most women. I can make choices for myself and take responsibility for those choices as well. Go figure. An independent woman. Your worst nightmare. Fourth, don't speak for women. You're a man, I'm a woman. Not to play that card but I'm fairly sure I know a hell of alot more about the thought processes of women than you do. Just saying. Fifth, I've seen you rail against the woman's right to choose at least a dozen times on this forum. So don't talk to me about appealing to women. Lastly, the LP has grown immensely since it's creation and is easily the third biggest political party in the country. Libertarians rarely win elections, sure, but the same is true of all third parties. Has nothing to do with the philosophy of the party but the habitual voting for the lesser evils. So stop with that crap.
    In California alone, little more than half of a percent of those eligible to vote are registered Libertarians (Google CAs Secretary of State and you can find the Excel spreadsheet to download that testifies so). It's not really changed over the decades. Really, 'nuff said about the "chances" of the LP ever being a player.

    As to your oppositional defiance about women, your tendency to see non-libertarian women as "weak and dependent" is your own issue. So don't go wiping your sh!t onto me.

    With regard to you being a woman and me being a man, that, in your opinion makes me "unqualified" to speak statistically on women, is, of course, pure nonsense. If you truly knew what appeals more to women and what doesn't you'd think twice about saying that the LP appeals to women as much as it does to men, as that's pure and common knowlege BS.

    Your assumption that "pro-life" is male and "pro-choice" is female is, of course, preposterous, strongly indicating that you are out of touch with mainstream women.

    The LP has simply not grown "immensely". That's laughable.

    The libertarian philosophy is simply an extremist wing philosophy, a schizoid simultaneous left (social) and right (fiscal-economic) plotting on the traditional political spectrum. That's so absurdly extreme that libertarians had to invent their own spectrum ("the political compass") to spin legitimacy.

    Sadly, the census does not track specific party affiliation, and state secretaries don't track party affiliation by gender or age, so neither you nor I can prove our assertions about the percentage of women who are members of the Libertarian Party.

    But I've done sample polling with women I've known who would seem to identify with libertarianism, and none of them were registered with the Libertarian Party. I think my "less than 10% of registered Libertarians are women" statement is likely true.

    The Libertarian Party appeals to young, white, single, childless male perspectives on life; the playboy philosophy. That's simply a fact. The reason the Libertarian Party will never be a player is because the young get older and mature, single people get married and love changes perspectives, they then have children, and boy will that change a person's attitude quickly.

    So the Libertarian Party is simply a transition party, which accounts for why today it simply isn't any more or less of a non-player political party than it ever was.

    60 percent of women, according to Keirsey ("Please Understand Me II") are feelers over thinkers, with men the opposite 60 percent thinkers. This is the only temperament component of the four that shows a gender preference.

    Thus women are more apt to be communalists, and would find a "Justicerian" political party appealing.

    Sure there are exceptions, but those are simply that: exceptions .. and most of those end up in the Republican Party, with the Democratic Party home to most women due to their security emphasis of economic-fiscal issues.

    For a woman to identify with the playboy philosophy is .. noteworthy.

    That's reality, Telekat.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    In California alone, little more than half of a percent of those eligible to vote are registered Libertarians (Google CAs Secretary of State and you can find the Excel spreadsheet to download that testifies so). It's not really changed over the decades. Really, 'nuff said about the "chances" of the LP ever being a player.
    Just an FYI, but I have been a libertarian since I was twenty-three and not once have I been registered with the Libertarian party.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    I voted Libertarian in one of the races this past election as a pity vote and sop to efforts to get ballot access laws changed. But I don't think the 'Libertarian Party Moment' will ever come. They will forever be a very minor outlier with the occasional impressive showing.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Libertarian Election Results 2014

    Link shows their numbers.

    Clearly noone expected them to win any major races but they did ok in a few. Based on your expectations for the Libertarian party how do you think they did?
    44 years, no congressmen, no senators, no governors, no presidents. Just a steady string of single digit results, and "winning" garbage elections that were unopposed.

    44 years of complete and total failure, never even reaching 1% in a presidential race.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I voted Libertarian in one of the races this past election as a pity vote and sop to efforts to get ballot access laws changed. But I don't think the 'Libertarian Party Moment' will ever come. They will forever be a very minor outlier with the occasional impressive showing.
    i believe the libertarians, also have been trying to change the Republican party from one, more based on...... individual freedom...so its a two fold movement.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    The public perception of libertarians is nill because most people don't even know what a libertarian is or associate it with the likes of the Tea Party.



    No. They are not the party of business. Nor do they potray themselves as such. They are the party of the market and want businesses to have to hold their own instead of getting bailed out, subsidized, and protected in the name of being "business friendly."



    Because Libertarian candidates aren't usually establishment politicians with connections and the will to sell themselves to the highest bidder? Because Libertarian policies, for the most part, disfavor big business? There's a thousand and one reasons to explain that other than "they suck." i consider their lack of corporate funding to be the most attractive part of the party, not a downfall.
    "party of the market"

    Do you understand what would've happened to the USA if we decided "**** it, let the banks go down in hell I don't care!" during the recent recession?

    Oh boy, the word "Screwed" comes to mind even though it'd be much worse than that.

    That was always one of my few disconnects with the libertarian party and one of the few reasons I will most likely never vote third party.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    "party of the market"

    Do you understand what would've happened to the USA if we decided "**** it, let the banks go down in hell I don't care!" during the recent recession?

    Oh boy, the word "Screwed" comes to mind even though it'd be much worse than that.

    That was always one of my few disconnects with the libertarian party and one of the few reasons I will most likely never vote third party.

    so if the oil companies were to go down, and leave most of Americans stranded, government should bail them out too?

    since it would effect cars and parts, as well as the service industry.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so if the oil companies were to go down, and leave most of Americans stranded, government should bail them out too?

    since it would effect cars and parts, as well as the service industry.
    Did they?

    Are there alternatives to oil?

    Stick to banks since those are what mainly got bailed out. And there is no alternative to banking.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Did they?

    Are there alternatives to oil?

    Stick to banks since those are what mainly got bailed out. And there is no alternative to banking.
    my question is...........are we to bail out corporations, which have an enormous impact on the economy?

    you forget GM WAS BAILED OUT.


    first of all its not constitutional and second its not equality of the law.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    my question is...........are we to bail out corporations, which have an enormous impact on the economy?

    you forget GM WAS BAILED OUT.


    first of all its not constitutional and second its not equality of the law.
    How so is it not constitutional?

    And stick to my hypothetical which you quoted, and that is the banks.

    What would have happened if we gave the banks a middle finger? I could tell you, and it wouldn't be pretty, but I want to see if you can come up with a conclusion.
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