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Thread: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mishiko View Post
    I don't think the issue is that people vote republican, I think the issue is that people don't know what they're voting for. Actually, there's nothing wrong with a Republican candidate so long as their standings are good and valid, just as there's nothing wrong with a Libertarian candidate with good and valid standings.. Who cares what political party a candidate is in? I think people put too much weight on political affiliations. George Washington warned against this.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is more of a concession of surrender that the Libertarian Party is going nowhere and your only hope is a takeover of the Republican Party than it is of anything else.
    That is how it should be in a two party system.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That is how it should be in a two party system.
    Actually it is not. Pick a party - any party and work for it, do your best for it, and back it to the hilt. Pretending that you are a libertarian when you wear the halloween costume of the republican only betrays your own so called beliefs.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it is not. Pick a party - any party and work for it, do your best for it, and back it to the hilt. Pretending that you are a libertarian when you wear the halloween costume of the republican only betrays your own so called beliefs.
    No, you work within the system to bring change. The Pauls for example, have had much more influence and done more for libertarian ideas by working within the republican party than they would had they run as libertarians and lost.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No, you work within the system to bring change. The Pauls for example, have had much more influence and done more for libertarian ideas by working within the republican party than they would had they run as libertarians and lost.
    We completely and totally disagree. Ron Paul was a libertarian who ran for president under their banner. He lost of course. He wanted a career and a paycheck so he went to the costume shop and bought a republican outfit.

    I remember Norman Thomas who ran for president six times as a Socialist. Near the end of his life he was asked if he had wasted his life losing one election after the other by huge margins and never really having a chance. He replied that his long career was wonderfully successful as many of the issues he had advocated had come to passage over his long lifetime.

    Of course, he was not concerned about a job or paycheck.

    I strongly suspect that libertarians have come to the realization that despite all their bluster and bravado to the contrary that
    1- they are actually very small in numbers compared to the general population who does not share their views
    2- they have no real chance of ballot success having peaked in previous decades
    3- the Libertarian brand on the ballot is akin to the skull and crossbones on a medicine bottle
    4- they will never be able to complete money wise or work wise for votes
    5- they only shot they have at getting their people in power is to infiltrate the most right wing party available - the GOP - and try and take over the infrastructure from within

    Thus - we get the Ron Pauls of the world. And the whole time they will bitch, moan, whine and carp and cry and complain about the lack of a viable third party in America when it is they who help keep it that way.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We completely and totally disagree. Ron Paul was a libertarian who ran for president under their banner. He lost of course. He wanted a career and a paycheck so he went to the costume shop and bought a republican outfit.

    I remember Norman Thomas who ran for president six times as a Socialist. Near the end of his life he was asked if he had wasted his life losing one election after the other by huge margins and never really having a chance. He replied that his long career was wonderfully successful as many of the issues he had advocated had come to passage over his long lifetime.

    Of course, he was not concerned about a job or paycheck.
    Nonsense. You are letting your irrational hatred for libertarians to cloud your judgment...again.
    There is absolutely no reason you cant have a libertarian wing of the republican party just as you could have a moderate wing, a conservative wing, a Tea Party wing or a liberal wing.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Nonsense. You are letting your irrational hatred for libertarians to cloud your judgment...again.
    There is absolutely no reason you cant have a libertarian wing of the republican party just as you could have a moderate wing, a conservative wing, a Tea Party wing or a liberal wing.
    Its rational.

    And unless you actually are willing to build a third party and take the hit in the meantime until its viable, you will always be doomed to crying and moaning about the evils of a two party system that you yourself is helping to keep in place.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its rational.

    And unless you actually are willing to build a third party and take the hit in the meantime until its viable, you will always be doomed to crying and moaning about the evils of a two party system that you yourself is helping to keep in place.
    Ive never cried about a two party system. In fact, I think multi party systems are very damaging to democracy. A two party system at least maintains the idea of majority rule.

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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Ive never cried about a two party system. In fact, I think multi party systems are very damaging to democracy. A two party system at least maintains the idea of majority rule.

    spoken like someone who has been taught a lesson and knows not to step out of line.
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    re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    spoken like someone who has been taught a lesson and knows not to step out of line.
    What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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