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Thread: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeburte View Post
    Actually libertarianism is the only ideology of the big three that is actually logical. Modern conservatism is especially illogical. How is small government ideology intrinsically compatible with social conservatism, when the latter implies a strong government role in regulating marriage, reproductive activities, adult media, alcohol and narcotics? And how is small government-fiscal conservatism philosophically compatible with strong militarism and a very aggressive foreign policy, especially when the latter implies loads of bureaucracy and big government spending? The Republican platform is a mash up of three different ideological parties (social conservatives/evangelist, chicken hawks, and fiscal conservatives) who formed an alliance many years ago to defeat Democrats, but the ideologies are very conflicting and incompatible. In the past, socially conservative and nationalistic regimes were always in support of big government, because you need lots of government to control peoples lives and to conduct large scale warfare. These were the monarchist, fascist and communist. Like those groups, Republicans also want war and want to control peoples lives, but want to do it with small government and unrestricted free market capitalism? That is completely "schizoid."
    The libertarian philosophy is eminently logical... on paper. Where it utterly falls apart is that it doesn't take into account that humans will be involved. Humans are quite illogical.
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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeburte View Post
    Actually libertarianism is the only ideology of the big three that is actually logical. Modern conservatism is especially illogical. How is small government ideology intrinsically compatible with social conservatism, when the latter implies a strong government role in regulating marriage, reproductive activities, adult media, alcohol and narcotics? And how is small government-fiscal conservatism philosophically compatible with strong militarism and a very aggressive foreign policy, especially when the latter implies loads of bureaucracy and big government spending? The Republican platform is a mash up of three different ideological parties (social conservatives/evangelist, chicken hawks, and fiscal conservatives) who formed an alliance many years ago to defeat Democrats, but the ideologies are very conflicting and incompatible. In the past, socially conservative and nationalistic regimes were always in support of big government, because you need lots of government to control peoples lives and to conduct large scale warfare. These were the monarchist, fascist and communist. Like those groups, Republicans also want war and want to control peoples lives, but want to do it with small government and unrestricted free market capitalism? That is completely "schizoid."
    You cognitively distort a conflation about the "size" of government with governing "behaviors" that simply go against libertarian "philosophy".

    Typically, there is a paranoid libertarian reaction to "big bad government" ..

    .. Thereby implicating the typical libertarian's unresolved family of origin damage at the hands of personal authority figures which is transferred and displaced onto the libertarian's adult "Authority": government.

    Thankfully, libertarianism isn't "catching" .. so it will always be a non-player in American politics, the quintessential acting out behavior of a comparative handful who've yet to get therapy and counseling for childhood problems inflicted at the hands of "authoritarian" parents, teachers, whomever.

    Thus, as the OP presents, the Libertarian Party continues to show us nothing, and will continue to do that, just as it has always done in the past.
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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    You cognitively distort a conflation about the "size" of government with governing "behaviors" that simply go against libertarian "philosophy".

    Typically, there is a paranoid libertarian reaction to "big bad government" ..

    .. Thereby implicating the typical libertarian's unresolved family of origin damage at the hands of personal authority figures which is transferred and displaced onto the libertarian's adult "Authority": government.

    Thankfully, libertarianism isn't "catching" .. so it will always be a non-player in American politics, the quintessential acting out behavior of a comparative handful who've yet to get therapy and counseling for childhood problems inflicted at the hands of "authoritarian" parents, teachers, whomever.

    Thus, as the OP presents, the Libertarian Party continues to show us nothing, and will continue to do that, just as it has always done in the past.
    Arm chair psychology is corny. But for entertainment purposes I'd like to hear you diagnosis of social conservatives in regards to the origins of the jingoism, xenophobia and homophobia. Is the homophobia just projection? Is the need to control others rooted in fear caused by a larger amygdala (as the London study on the conservative brain suggest)? Does the xenophobia and extreme nationalism reflective of the minimal group paradigm or childhood insecurities rejection that manifest into a strong group mentality?

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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    I am going to have to go with worse than expected. We can show well that the majority of the nation is unhappy with both Republicans and Democrats, and we can show that even though Congress has a single digit approval rating they also enjoy very high percentage re-election rates. Therefor, Libertarians and all other 3rd parties are doing far worse than they should. But it also tells us very well that ole (D) and (R) have such a strong hold over the political spectrum / process that it is becoming increasingly difficult for a 3rd party to do much about all that contempt.

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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeburte View Post
    Arm chair psychology is corny. But for entertainment purposes I'd like to hear you diagnosis of social conservatives in regards to the origins of the jingoism, xenophobia and homophobia. Is the homophobia just projection? Is the need to control others rooted in fear caused by a larger amygdala (as the London study on the conservative brain suggest)? Does the xenophobia and extreme nationalism reflective of the minimal group paradigm or childhood insecurities rejection that manifest into a strong group mentality?
    If you don't like armchair psychology, you shouldn't engage in it.

    Your "jingoism", "xenophobia", and "homophobia" erroneous hyperbole is based on the left-wing social issue ideology's (which includes libertarianism, obviously) over-the-top emotional reaction to the conservative opposition to the left-wing social issue ideology.

    Employment of these terms is simply an extremist reaction to disappointment, nothing more.

    It's politics as usual between the left and the right.

    None of it is to be taken seriously.

    It's simply the same old winger-typical heightened emotional response orienting from unresolved family of origin issues transferred and displaced onto the public political arena where the winger acts out his/her past drama in the futile hope of this time creating a different outcome to the original family of origin problem.

    Those who employ such epithets simply reveal themselves for who they are.
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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I am going to have to go with worse than expected. We can show well that the majority of the nation is unhappy with both Republicans and Democrats, and we can show that even though Congress has a single digit approval rating they also enjoy very high percentage re-election rates. Therefor, Libertarians and all other 3rd parties are doing far worse than they should. But it also tells us very well that ole (D) and (R) have such a strong hold over the political spectrum / process that it is becoming increasingly difficult for a 3rd party to do much about all that contempt.
    Congresspersons get re-elected because while people dislike congress, they like their congressperson.
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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Congresspersons get re-elected because while people dislike congress, they like their congressperson.
    Clearly. But the point still stands on overall approval rating, and it suggests a 3rd party should be able to capitalize.

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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Clearly. But the point still stands on overall approval rating, and it suggests a 3rd party should be able to capitalize.
    Except that the incumbent is often re-elected, for the mentioned reason, and even if not, 9 times out of 10 the other "big 2" party will pick up the position, because more money to spend (mainly).
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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Who needs Libertarians when you can get pot legalized with a ballot initiative?
    You're right, we don't need Libertarians, just libertarian ideas.
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    Re: How did the Libertarian Party do this election?[W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Libertarian candidates give me a place to put a protest vote for those times when I despise both mainstream options. That's pretty much what it has come down to.
    And the two parties will do anything to keep it that way.
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