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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    The idea that leaving some positions/issues up to others will mean that "more informed" voters will make the "correct" decision ignores the prevalence of straight ticket voters and increases greatly the chance that ballot initiatives will pass simply because they are likely to have "more informed" folks that support them. My "rule of thumb" in these situations is to vote to keep the incumbent (regardless of party affiliation) unless I am aware of a problem within that area/position of gov't, and to vote against added borrowing or freedom restricting ballot initiatives. In other words, when in doubt throw bums out and try to keep borrowing and the scope of gov't to a minimum.
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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    People who don't learn always have stumped me.

    Is it really that hard to research before going to vote?

    Most states /counties these days have websites that cover who is running and so forth. People know way ahead of time who will be on the ballot. There's no excuse, in my opinion, for being uniformed and still deciding to go to the voting booth. Might as well not vote - not like someone who doesn't do research actually gives a **** about who runs and what they're doing in office. "Oh . . . gee. . . is Obama President? I wish I could remember if I voted for him or not." []
    Most websites simply do spin jobs. To really understand a candidate you'd need to look indepth at their voting record or positions. Information you're not likely to get at the candidate's or partisan websites. Really researching candidates in 20 different local races is probably a work week's worth of time. Not saying that it isn't worth doing - it is - but a lot of people may not have the time.
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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    At the very least, if you're unhappy with how things are, vote out the incumbent.

    If you're happy, still vote out the incumbent.

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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Really researching candidates in 20 different local races is probably a work week's worth of time.
    Dare I suggest that's part of the problem? It might explain why so much seems to go down blind party lines.

    I am curious what all those different races would be. Where I am I can only think of half a dozen directly elected representatives in total!

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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I've always believed that you should always vote and when confronted by names that I don't recognize on the ballot, I usually pick a mix of democrats and republicans. I figure if I pick of 2 democrats and 2 republicans out of 9 family court judge candidates they balance each other out.

    I read a fairly convincing piece this morning in the Washington Post that makes the claim that you actually have an obligation to
    not vote if ignorant of the issues/candidates. The piece says in part:

    Even if you are an unusually well-informed voter, the enormous size, scope, and complexity of modern government ensure that there will be many issues and candidates about which you know very little….

    It’s unrealistic to expect that everyone will achieve a high level of knowledge about every race and every initiative. But if you find that you know little or nothing about a particular race or ballot question, you might want to consider simply not voting on it. As political philosopher Jason Brennan argues, voters have a moral duty to be at least reasonably well-informed about the issues they vote on, because the decisions they make affect not just themselves but all of society. John Stuart Mill put it well when he wrote that voting is not just an exercise of personal choice, but rather “the exercise of power over others.” If you can’t exercise that power in at least a minimally responsible manner, maybe you should not do so at all.


    (Link to full article: On election day, consider abstaining from ignorant voting - The Washington Post )

    So do you vote even if you're not informed?
    Anyone who is qualified should cast their vote regardless of what others might think of their abilities on issues or candidtes.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Most websites simply do spin jobs. To really understand a candidate you'd need to look indepth at their voting record or positions. Information you're not likely to get at the candidate's or partisan websites. Really researching candidates in 20 different local races is probably a work week's worth of time. Not saying that it isn't worth doing - it is - but a lot of people may not have the time.
    Government websites just list who and what will be on the ballot - explaining measures as needed - without giving any opinion or otherwise. Then research those names.

    And if people don't have time to research candidates then certainly they shouldn't vote and try to involve themselves in politics - leave it for others who care.
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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Dare I suggest that's part of the problem? It might explain why so much seems to go down blind party lines.

    I am curious what all those different races would be. Where I am I can only think of half a dozen directly elected representatives in total!

    Sure. This is for my town:

    Governor
    Lt. Governor
    Comptroller
    State Attorney General
    U.S. Representative
    NY State Senator
    NY State Assemblyman
    6 NYS Supreme Court Justices
    Suffolk County Clerk
    Suffolk Country Controller
    2 Suffolk County Court Judges
    Suffolk Country Family Court Judge
    3 Huntington Town District Court Judges

    State Referenda



    Proposal #1
    Proposal #2
    Proposal #3

    16 races in total with 24 selections to be made. If you researched every candidate on the ballot that would be 48 individuals plus the 3 referenda.
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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    At the very least, if you're unhappy with how things are, vote out the incumbent.

    If you're happy, still vote out the incumbent.
    In the previous general - there were 291 seats up for grabs. ONLY 2 seats changed. What does that tell ya? Informed voters? Do most voters actually vote self-interest? I think not. I think that a lot voters think that they are voting self-interest, but really don't have a clue about who they help put in office. I think more often than not most voters will strictly vote based on a candidate's party affiliation rather than what they know about individual candidates.

    Status quo is really comfy with most voters. And when we see a shift in the majority it's usually pretty marginal. I can't ever recall in my lifetime where there was a Super-Mundo, outrageous turnover in either chamber (or both).

    Politicians know the voter's behaviors wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than the voters themselves. That's why they have a "Meh!" attitude.

    So the ping pong game continues on.

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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    I wonder if ballots were forced to leave out party affiliation, how votes would turn out. That way... you have to at least know their name lol.

    I usually only pay attention to the governor and senate candidates with rigor. I vote democrat or libertarian on Attorney generals, because I wouldn't want a socially conservative person there. The rest I vote libertarian and if there isn't that option, republicans/woman/people with foreign names/non-incumbents.

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    Re: Should you cast a vote even if you're not informed on the candidates/issues

    Another GOP thread continuing their voter suppression techniques.
    The 2016 election has obviously started.
    McConnell is now speaking--he is a masterful politician and probably one of the better GOPs right now--as hard as that is for me to say .
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