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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Why stop there. How about bestiality or object sexuality.

    On a side note I'm against polygamy simply because often 1 wife is too many.
    Step 1: make a compelling argument in favor of who you think should be able to marry
    Step 2: Ensure that there is no compelling argument against allowing that group marry
    Step 3: ???
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    You still need to do all 4 steps to make your case. SSM advocates have managed to do so.
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not at all.

    My reasoning for supporting same sex marriage is my personal belief that our marriage laws are a violation of the Equal Protection Clause on the basis of gender discrimination.

    I've still yet to be presented with an argument for bigamy that convinces me it'd fall under an Equal Protection Clause protection. I see no way it'd fit into a middle or upper tier category, which would make it the lowest tier at best which is a very low threshold to jump through. Considering the SIZABLE structural change...instead of language change...that would have to occur by allowing those who are married to marry other people and the multitude of new legal issues that would cause, I think the state has a legitimate interest in not moving forward with such.
    I need to get to bed soon so not going to look it up, at least not right now, but I believe one of the judges who has ruled for SSM in the last year specifically addressed the gender discrimination under EPC claim and found in to be not compelling. Most judges have simply not looked at that aspect.
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I don't care if we legalize polygamy as long as they don't get more financial/tax benefits (or fewer) than couples. To me, equality in marriage means....equality.
    I would say that it should be as scalable as having multiple children. i.e. each person still gets a standard deduction, or personal exemption or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is not how bisexuality works. Instead it works similar to someone who is attracted to people of more than one race. Just because a person would be willing to marry someone of any race or either sex doesn't mean those people want to marry multiple people at the same time. Those who want to be in a group marriage are generally polyamorous.
    To add to that, even being in a polygamous marriage, with both multiple husbands and multiple wives, it doesn't automatically make any given spouse bi-sexual. While many people cannot concept it, it is possible for one to romantically love another without being sexually attracted to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    1. In the past such societies were almost exclusively polygamous (1 man, multiple women) and structured in such a way as to be abusive to women. Women were viewed almost as property and were expected to be subservient to the man.
    This concept of women as property was pretty universal among both monogamous and polygamous socities. Additionally, you are viewing only polygyny as opposed to polygamy, the latter holding no concept to limits on one of the spouse's gender.

    2. It was not uncommon for older men to exercise political (or religious) "power" over community such that very young women were forced into marriages with these older men (often much older) and left with no means of escape from the community. (i.e. statutory rape with no means of escape.)
    Again, this is not isolated or even concentrated among polygamous societies. Arranged marriages were common with young women, even girls by today's standards, going to much older men. They had no means of escape from their monogamous marriage rape either.

    3. High concentrations of polygamous marriages tends to skew the natural ratios of the available male/females in a given population. If you have one man marrying multiple women, those women are effectively removed from the - ah - market so to speak. Now you have an increased number of males while at the same time having a shortage of available females. Leading to problems with how to deal with the males who were often excluded from the community.
    Higher concentrations of polygyny lead to these problems. Where actual polygamy is allowed, i.e. allowing for both multiple husbands as well as multiple wives, then the issue is much less. Additionally, homosexuality, bisexuality and even asexuality are factors in any imbalance there would be of available mates, assuming only monogamy.


    In each bigamous marriage, there would be at a minimum three legally intertwined status:
    A married to B,
    A married to C, and
    B married to C.

    So there is a secular reason to be leery of bigamy as a government recognized entity that has nothing to do with religion or morality.
    Do keep in mind that bigamy=/=polygamy automatically. If the law holds a single marriage status between all spouses then it is only polygamy without bigamy. Bigamy is holding multiple marriage status, i.e. the license. Now if the law handles polygamy by allowing multiple license, then yes both occur together.
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I need to get to bed soon so not going to look it up, at least not right now, but I believe one of the judges who has ruled for SSM in the last year specifically addressed the gender discrimination under EPC claim and found in to be not compelling. Most judges have simply not looked at that aspect.
    First, it's my understanding at least one acknowledge it as compelling

    Two, my stance on the political reasons I think it's not actively pushed on that reason has long been established. (It's not about marriage, it's about leveraging marriage as a means of elevating the sexual orientation classification itself)

    Three, regardless of what the judges opinions are I do feel it compelling. Far more so than the sexual orientation argument.

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Why stop there. How about bestiality or object sexuality.

    On a side note I'm against polygamy simply because often 1 wife is too many.
    What is "object sexuality"?

    Beastiality isn't remotely comparable to SSM or polygamy for the simple reason that animals cannot give consent.


    On the OP:

    Consenting adults, liberty, privacy, keep out of other people's bedrooms blah blah blah ad infinitum
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    What is "object sexuality"?

    Beastiality isn't remotely comparable to SSM or polygamy for the simple reason that animals cannot give consent.


    On the OP:

    Consenting adults, liberty, privacy, keep out of other people's bedrooms blah blah blah ad infinitum
    People wanting to marry objects like their phone or a car.
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    People wanting to marry objects like their phone or a car.

    Seriously? I suppose the "cannot give consent" line works if someone wanted to push the issue but that's just silly.
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How is that logical? What process did you use to determine that? And why is it limited to only 3 partners and not an open number?
    If you think allowing gays to marry and now that ends all issues on marriage you are mistaken. This is just getting started and in 10 years marriage will be a meaningless institution.

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Don't care in the least.

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    If you think allowing gays to marry and now that ends all issues on marriage you are mistaken. This is just getting started and in 10 years marriage will be a meaningless institution.
    Good, it shouldn't be an institution. And more liberties is better than a phony institution that only has value, apparently, based on people being excluded.

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