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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was a post in a debate thread.

    I am talking about what was brought up by you. When it comes to some forms of polygamy that we have seen here in the US, the most common that occurs here in the US (at least up til now, although I believe this will change) is where old men from the FLDS clans marry really young girls, in their mid teens, with permission from their parents. The laws that allow for this, laws that allow parents to give their children permission to marry prior to them being 18 is one of the things that needs to change, especially if we are considering removing the limitation on numbers of spouses a person can have legally.
    Corrections: the form of polygamy that is most noticed. That which is most common is not necessarily that with is seen or noticed the most. Car accidents are the more common form of vehicular accidents, yet trains and planes and even ocean liners get far more attention when they have accidents.
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    I don't understand the confusion on this, bigamy means bigamy.
    That is because you are ignorant of the differences. Bigamy is a legal status only. How the state defines its legal marriages can make a difference as to whether a 3+ member marriage would be covered by the term bigamy. If the poly marriage includes all members in a single marriage unit, then they are not engaged in bigamy. If the state requires that each combination of two have separate marriages, then they are. Unlike marriage of any type (poly, mono, OSM,SSM,etc), which can be engaged in without any legal recognition by the government, bigamy by it's very definition requires government acknowledgement.
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    Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Marriage can never be meaningless unless the persons involved in it let it be. Does your marriage need to be recognized by the state to have meaning to you?

    Does the failure of other people's marriages affect you? Make yours look bad, feel bad? Have less value?
    When anyone can be married to anything as many times as they like marriage will be destroyed and meaningless so what is the point of a young hey to couple going through the motions. They may as well just cohabitate and that is what many Emanuel people want to happen, destroy American values one at a time

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    IMO, you phrased the question obtusely in order to get a desired result and 'prove' some nebulous point.

    In a nutshell, "bigamy" is when a person is married to two or people at the same time but none of the spouses know about each other. Bigamy is illegal. A type of fraud, if you will.

    "Polygamy" is when a person is married to two or more people at the same time, but everybody knows about it, and probably even live together as one big happy family. Polygamy is also currently illegal in most places, but does have significance in some religions, societies, etc.

    So, let's try again: Which one do you mean?
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    That is because you are ignorant of the differences. Bigamy is a legal status only. How the state defines its legal marriages can make a difference as to whether a 3+ member marriage would be covered by the term bigamy. If the poly marriage includes all members in a single marriage unit, then they are not engaged in bigamy. If the state requires that each combination of two have separate marriages, then they are. Unlike marriage of any type (poly, mono, OSM,SSM,etc), which can be engaged in without any legal recognition by the government, bigamy by it's very definition requires government acknowledgement.
    Bigamy means more than one marriage and that is coming. It is the next step in destroying the institution

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    And to think it all started when we allowed people to marry outside their race! My gods how slippery the slope has become!
    And the race card is played

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    And the race card is played
    That's very rare compared to the "white hetero men are victims" card.

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    That is because you are ignorant of the differences. Bigamy is a legal status only. How the state defines its legal marriages can make a difference as to whether a 3+ member marriage would be covered by the term bigamy. If the poly marriage includes all members in a single marriage unit, then they are not engaged in bigamy. If the state requires that each combination of two have separate marriages, then they are. Unlike marriage of any type (poly, mono, OSM,SSM,etc), which can be engaged in without any legal recognition by the government, bigamy by it's very definition requires government acknowledgement.


    What of it? Polygamy is illegal just like bigamy. Anyone who's engaging in it is breaking the state law, whether or not there is any official record of the partners involved.

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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What of it? Polygamy is illegal just like bigamy. Anyone who's engaging in it is breaking the state law, whether or not there is any official record of the partners involved.
    For the supposed point of the question, the distinction is very relevant.

    It is entirely possible that polygamy will be rendered legal in the future, while bigamy will not. Bigamy being fraud, and the fraud aspect will remain illegal.
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    Re: Should bigamy be legal

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    For the supposed point of the question, the distinction is very relevant.

    It is entirely possible that polygamy will be rendered legal in the future, while bigamy will not. Bigamy being fraud, and the fraud aspect will remain illegal.
    Why is it necessarily fraud for a person who is already married to one person to marry another? A state could change its law to allow that, if it chose. If everyone involved knew what was happening, who would be unfairly tricked?

    As for legalizing polygamy, what about the states Congress forced to include in their constitutions a pledge to ban plural marriage forever, as a condition of being admitted to the Union? They couldn't just amend their constitutions to remove that, as they might amend other parts of them. Suppose the Supreme Court cooks up a constitutional "right" to same-sex marriage, as it may. A state like this would no longer have any valid reason for allowing homosexuals to marry each other, but continuing to make polygamy illegal--that would seem to violate the guarantee of equal protection--and yet it could not make it legal. Maybe it could just secede.

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