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Thread: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I say both. I don't see why their overall political position is relevant to the question.
    At least you understand the question. Someone help me out, please.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I think we overuse "bigotry" and that's wrong.
    Oh my God, you're so bigoted towards people who think other people are bigoted, you bigot! Bigotbigotbigotbigotbigotbigotbigotbigot! Bigot!
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    There's no good option for voting here, and I think the answers are designed to create an excuse to show how bad liberals are.

    It depends on what the reason is. If you oppose SSM because you have an irrational hatred for gay people, then yes.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Trying to redefine something into what it never was and never will truly be is not a “civil right”. Marriage is, always has been, and always will be, between a man and a woman.
    Ironic coming from a Mormon. People of your faith literally died protecting their "right" to be polygamous, and now you're trying to say it's always been monogamous.

    Here's a primer on what's been considered a valid marriage in the Bible.



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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That's backward.

    No law is (or at least should be) needed to outlaw “same sex marriage”. Marriage has always been understood as being between a man and a woman, and until very recently, the very idea of defining marriage as anything else was correctly and universally recognized as entirely absurd at best.

    With the de-facto premise being that marriage is only between a man and a woman, it takes a radical and irrational act of law to seek to define it otherwise, and to force legal recognition of this ridiculous redefinition of marriage.

    It is not those of us who support marriage trying to outlaw “same sex marriage, but a tiny minority of immoral freaks who are trying to force a blatantly immoral redefinition of it on a society that, for the most part, wants no part of this redefinition.

    It is not the moral trying to force our morality on the immoral; it is the immoral trying to force their immorality on the moral.
    Until very recently, homosexuality was illegal. Was that right? Should the government legislate 'morality'?
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, I think duck hunting should be illegal. I think deer hunting should remain legal. So yes, that would make me a duck hunter bigot. And therein lies the problem I have with the use of the word "bigot" when I made that post you quoted.
    For the situation to be equivalent you'd have to allow yourself to duck hunt, but say, black people can't. A desire to unequally apply the law based on a minority group's specific attribute is pretty much the definition of bigotry.

    Feel free to rationalize or ignore it any way you want, but it doesn't really matter because society has pretty much already decided that equal rights are a good idea, and the younger generations (<40) are overwhelmingly in favor of SSM legalization.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Again, you are confused about the definition of bigotry and using it too broadly.
    Bigotry apologism.

    I seriously doubt that the person with grad sociology is the uneducated one here. I think it's probably the guy that claims bigotry motivated by religion is not bigotry at all.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    To sum up how I feel, I believe that any persons able to lawfully make a private contract should be able to chose whoever and how many they wish to make a contract with....
    Yeah, the problem is that marriage is NOT a private contract.

    It's a social construction and act. Marriage also has numerous legal implications, including but not limited to:
    • Who can manage your care if you're in the hospital
    • Custody of children
    • Ownership of joint property
    • Inheritances

    I don't see how it's a good idea to have all this managed via private contracts.


    If a brother and sister wish to marry, if a woman wants to marry 48 men, heterosexual/homosexual or a mix or whatever isnt my business....
    ...but it is the business of the State, whose job is to prevent harm to others. As such, I'm pretty sure we can regard condoning incest and polygamy as harmful.

    SSM, we should note, has not been shown to cause any genuine harm. Assumptions of such, without the supporting evidence, are another example of the bigotry involved in the issue.


    I am personally tired of other people/government trying to dictate how other people should lives their lives or limit them in their ability to live whatever life they deem is right for themselves.
    Sucks to be you, then. There is nowhere you can go, and no society you can live in, where no one is going to tell no one else how to limit their lives, or allow radical individual freedom. Bummer, dude.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, I think duck hunting should be illegal. I think deer hunting should remain legal. So yes, that would make me a duck hunter bigot. And therein lies the problem I have with the use of the word "bigot" when I made that post you quoted.
    Is duck hunting a type of activity which defines other rights, privileges and benefits? For example, does duck hunting have anything to do with adoption? What about wealth inheritance? What about visitation rights? What issues does duck hunting affect other than hunting ducks? Do you not get to drive because you hunt ducks? Do you get denied doctor's visits for being a duck hunter? What are you denied by simply hunting ducks? If you oppose duck hunting, are you also denying them other rights as part of the debate? The fact that you'll answer no/none to every one of those questions should give you the biggest clue of all. That being that they're not the same thing. Quit muddying the issue with irrelevant comparisons.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Bigotry apologism.

    I seriously doubt that the person with grad sociology is the uneducated one here. I think it's probably the guy that claims bigotry motivated by religion is not bigotry at all.
    I majored in sociology for a short time until I realized they taught too much opinion for my liking. I have opinions of my own and don't need to suck up someone else's misconceptions. You're the one making claims of religious bigotry. I'm only saying that each individual should be free to live his life expressing his religious values. You want to take a more totalitarian approach I feel sorry for you in a way.
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