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Thread: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, first we have to define bigotry: Bigotry | Define Bigotry at Dictionary.com

    1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
    God that sounds like liberalism.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    I voted neither. The word bigot has gotten so muddy that I dont use it anymore.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Which ones are examples of bigotry?

    Can someone please fix the spelling in the question? Thank you.
    Absolutely. People who oppose SSM want to deny rights to minority groups they don't like. This is pure, spiteful bigotry.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I struggle with the use of the word "Bigotry". I don't like people who hunt ducks, but I'm not sure that makes me a bigot.
    Do you advocate that people who hunt ducks should have less rights than a normal citizen? If you want to deny rights to groups you hate, that's bigotry.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Which ones are examples of bigotry?

    Can someone please fix the spelling in the question? Thank you.
    Without further explanation in your question or in peoples answers your question as written is to vague.

    You would first have to explain the form of opposition and or the reason for such.

    Lets first start with the definitions of opposed and bigot.
    Oppose - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Opposed
    1: to disagree with or disapprove of (something or someone)
    2: to compete against (someone) : to be an opponent of (someone)
    3: to try to stop or defeat (something)

    Oppose - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Bigot
    1: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc.
    2: a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

    so lets go with some examples now

    person A opposess SSM, meaning they "disagree" with it but they are not trying to stop it and dont treat people who support it or participate in it differently.
    NOT a bigot

    Person B opposes SSM, meaning they "disagree" with it but they are also "actively trying to stop it". Supporters of it are "opponents" to them and they dont view gays as an equal or SSM as equal.
    YES a bigot

    simply not agreeing with SSM doesnt make one a bigot any more than not agreeing with interracial marriage but actively trying to stop it does make one a bigot.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Substitute any other law, say tax rate cuts for the rich, and see if the question of bigotry still makes sense. One can oppose a policy or law for many reasons; perhaps one wants marriage options to include polygamy or they oppose the state making any person receive different rights than others based on a special state granted relationship status. There can be many reasons to oppose a policy, law or idea that do not fit the definition of bigotry.
    This is why words have meaning. Tax cuts have zero relevance to what the definition of bigotry entails. It's like saying that you can't call people sexist, because saying someone is sexist makes no sense if we're discussing support for food labels. No, your argument is absolutely ridiculous and I'm surprised you actually thought it made sense.

    Bigotry entails opposition to a lifestyle, religion, gender, disability, class etc and group characteristics. We know it entails an attitude which is about more than being opposed to some laws. We also know opposition to gays getting married comes for the most part as a result of religious belief. This nonsense that there are other important reasons behind it is nonsense. Libertarians, who are an insignificant part of the US' voting demographic keep pretending there are.

    That's just mind boggling. How such a small percentage of the population can keep pushing the myth that there is a genuine discussion about this issue. At least one that rises beyond the level of whether or not religious belief is enough to keep a group away from benefits, rights and privileges afforded to others. There really isn't. There isn't a drive to make marriage a states issue. There isn't a drive to take marriage away from the feds. There simply isn't. The drive is to make marriage inaccessible to gays on a state level and a federal level. This convoluted discussion that the 'small government' crowd tries to pretend is going on is part of the same struggle fought by people across different fronts.

    This is the same struggle that disabled people are facing when it comes to acceptance in the work place. The same struggle that European travellers have when it comes to being treated as citizens. It's the same struggle faced by immigrants whose degrees aren't recognized because they come from supposedly undeveloped nations. It is a narrative based on one group looking for acceptance within a larger group where there is a sizeable population looking at it with disgust. That's it. Whatever reasons some people have for contributing to the discrimination these groups face doesn't change the fact that the majority opposes it because they don't want to accept the smaller group.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you're okay with all types of bigotry, whether against gays or blacks?
    Jump to conclusions much? What do blacks have to do with religious values? Religious values are personal and not uniform in any race or ethnicity. Again, you are confused about the definition of bigotry and using it too broadly.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Trying to redefine something into what it never was and never will truly be is not a “civil right”. Marriage is, always has been, and always will be, between a man and a woman.
    LOL....marriage has been redefined many times throughout history. The bigots of the 1950's attempted to make the same argument to prevent inter-racial marriage, claiming it was perverted, against nature and immoral. They attempted to cry about the sacredness of "traditional marriage" and how allowing inter-racial couples to marry redefined the historical context of marriage....after all..."marriage is, always has been and always will be between a man and a woman of the same race.". Bigots never change....only the wording does.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    And it's the nature of conservatives to expect the government to make laws against whatever conservatives disapprove of. And let's not forget the people needed to enforce those laws. This is how conservatives champion less government interference- by advocating more laws, limits on personal liberties, more power for the authorities...
    You're confusing conservatives with religious believers. I'm a conservative. I don't oppose SSM or other similar laws.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Absolutely. People who oppose SSM want to deny rights to minority groups they don't like. This is pure, spiteful bigotry.



    Do you advocate that people who hunt ducks should have less rights than a normal citizen? If you want to deny rights to groups you hate, that's bigotry.
    Yes, I think duck hunting should be illegal. I think deer hunting should remain legal. So yes, that would make me a duck hunter bigot. And therein lies the problem I have with the use of the word "bigot" when I made that post you quoted.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Conservatives nowadays express liberal values- protect personal liberties, less government, limit the powers of the state, but when the rubber meets the road they come out for stronger government, more police powers, limits to personal liberties. The same sex marriage controversy is just one example. It's not enough for conservatives that their church won't allow it, they want the government to not allow it too.
    Here's a secret that conservatives don't get- laws don't prevent anything.
    Again an incorrect definition of "conservative". You just posted that conservatism is defined by church teachings. Not so.

    You need to stop confusing conservatives with people who follow religion.
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