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Thread: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In what situation is opposing marriage equality NOT bigotry? Can you name a situation where denying civil rights to minorities was not bigotry? Just curious.
    Trying to redefine something into what it never was and never will truly be is not a “civil right”. Marriage is, always has been, and always will be, between a man and a woman.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Trying to redefine something into what it never was and never will truly be is not a “civil right”. Marriage is, always has been, and always will be, between a man and a woman.
    actually to be correct it is a civl right, which is a privilege, .....its not a natural right.

    privileges are dispensed by government, and the government must honor them,............ not Citizens or business.

    if a state grants Citizens a privilege it must give them to everyone, unless the state can show its in their interest not to grant a privilege to someone....which is hard to do.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    More likely he was waiting for the rest of the country to stop being such
    So it is your theory that he is instead a lying coward who is unwilling to lead?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU-8Uz_nMaQ#t=161

    1:48 ..dont force people to do things they do not wish to do!

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So it is your theory that he is instead a lying coward who is unwilling to lead?
    In most respects and like almost all politicians, yes

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    As an objective fact, “gays and lesbians” are deviants.

    The normal, proper, common manner of human coupling, as practiced by (to use the most generous credible statistics toward homosexuality) more than 90% of the human population, is male with female. It is how our biology is engineered to work, it is how we are suited to form families and societies. By definition, anyone who deviates from this is a deviant. That's what the word “deviant” means—one who deviates from what is normal.

    Of course, to those of you on the wrong, recognizing the plain, obvious truth, is “bigotry”. Really, that's the essential core of “Political Correctness”, to condemn truth as bigotry or some other similarly subversive form of thought, and on that basis, to condemn those who recognize or speak any truth that is thus deemed subversive.
    By definition, if most people consider something as normal then its not deviant. By your definition of deviance, you are deviant as you are well to the right of most people, thus your abnormal and deviant.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Conservatives nowadays express liberal values- protect personal liberties, less government, limit the powers of the state, but when the rubber meets the road they come out for stronger government, more police powers, limits to personal liberties. The same sex marriage controversy is just one example. It's not enough for conservatives that their church won't allow it, they want the government to not allow it too.
    Here's a secret that conservatives don't get- laws don't prevent anything.
    More than any rhetorical nonsense about limited govt and individual liberty, conservative by its nature means content with the status quo and resistant to change - preserving wealth and class hierarchy by eliminating taxes and social programs (less govt) and preserving their 'heritage' using racial profiling laws, gerrymandering, and crushing any other minority that threatens their sense of propriety (more govt).

    The more govt equation is where they unfailingly lose me. They'd put a cop in every bedroom, if their love affair with the religious right is any indication. Conservatives can have the most sensible tax code in history and it won't mean a damn thing, because the political party most of them attach themselves to openly despises those who aren't white, christian, and hetero.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One of those unpopular points I have made rather repeatedly is that calling people bigots for opposing SSM is not helpful. Not only is it not necessarily true(and there is no way to know usually if it is true), not only does it overuse and abuse the term(much like racist/anti-semite are so badly overused), but insulting the people you are trying to sway with your arguments does not usually work.
    Uh huh. So we shouldn't have referred to southern racists and KKK members as bigots, because we can't tell which ones are really bigots, and it won't change their minds anyway.

    I can understand why some people oppose SSM. But at this point, it's pretty clear that those reasons are based not in genuine research on the effects of SSM on the society at large, or on gay families. It's just intolerance for the lifestyle of others. And since people have been labeling it as such for a few years, while support for SSM is increasing, maybe it is working after all....

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I oppose the government granting SSM. However I also oppose the government granting heterosexual marriages due to my belief that the government should not have the ability nor power to grant or deny any marriage.
    Oh?

    So the government shouldn't prevent people from marrying 12 year olds? It shouldn't prevent brothers from marrying sisters? It shouldn't prevent bigamy?

    What other types of marriage does it deny? Does it prevent two consenting adults, who are not related, and not married to anyone else, from getting married? Can the government force a legitimately married couple to divorce? Can it prevent an infertile man from getting married? Does the government decide which two individuals will get married? Pick them out of a lineup, perhaps?

    I also can't help but notice that the "government should get out of marriage" thing only really picked up steam in tandem with the increasing acceptability of SSM. Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall a lot of people saying this 20 years ago....

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Oh?

    So the government shouldn't prevent people from marrying 12 year olds? It shouldn't prevent brothers from marrying sisters? It shouldn't prevent bigamy?

    What other types of marriage does it deny? Does it prevent two consenting adults, who are not related, and not married to anyone else, from getting married? Can the government force a legitimately married couple to divorce? Can it prevent an infertile man from getting married? Does the government decide which two individuals will get married? Pick them out of a lineup, perhaps?

    I also can't help but notice that the "government should get out of marriage" thing only really picked up steam in tandem with the increasing acceptability of SSM. Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall a lot of people saying this 20 years ago....
    To sum up how I feel, I believe that any persons able to lawfully make a private contract should be able to chose whoever and how many they wish to make a contract with. If a brother and sister wish to marry, if a woman wants to marry 48 men, heterosexual/homosexual or a mix or whatever isnt my business and should not be the governments business. I am personally tired of other people/government trying to dictate how other people should lives their lives or limit them in their ability to live whatever life they deem is right for themselves.

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