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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Just because you don't agree doesn't make it bigotry. Everyone discriminates, which is different than bigotry. I avoid rap concerts and tractor pulls. I discriminate. I don't know enough about you but I'm certain you discriminate as well. It's difficult to avoid based on personal preference. I'm not arguing for racial, ethnic or religious discrimination. That is and should be illegal. What I am saying is that we should be free to associate with who we wish. Likewise it's appropriate for the religious to make those associations based on their values.

    Personally, I'm not religious. If I were a baker and a gay couple wanted a cake, I'd wrap them in fondant and plant a candle on top. I support those who don't feel as I do however.
    So, do you only support religious bigotry or do you, as you stated, support any form of bigotry against gays. Do you support bigotry against everyone or just gays?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Substitute any other law, say tax rate cuts for the rich, and see if the question of bigotry still makes sense. One can oppose a policy or law for many reasons; perhaps one wants marriage options to include polygamy or they oppose the state making any person receive different rights than others based on a special state granted relationship status. There can be many reasons to oppose a policy, law or idea that do not fit the definition of bigotry.
    But opposing same sex marriage is supporting a law against it. The question isn't, should we allow it, it's should we outlaw it.
    Bigotry? Depends. Does someone want a law against SSM because it's against their religion, or because they don't like gays. If they're obeying their religion they're misguided but if they just don't like gays, they're bigoted.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One of those unpopular points I have made rather repeatedly is that calling people bigots for opposing SSM is not helpful. Not only is it not necessarily true(and there is no way to know usually if it is true), not only does it overuse and abuse the term(much like racist/anti-semite are so badly overused), but insulting the people you are trying to sway with your arguments does not usually work.
    In what situation is opposing marriage equality NOT bigotry? Can you name a situation where denying civil rights to minorities was not bigotry? Just curious.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then should be try to prevent such a thing from happening?
    Live and let live.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    As an objective fact, “gays and lesbians” are deviants.

    The normal, proper, common manner of human coupling, as practiced by (to use the most generous credible statistics toward homosexuality) more than 90% of the human population, is male with female. It is how our biology is engineered to work, it is how we are suited to form families and societies. By definition, anyone who deviates from this is a deviant. That's what the word “deviant” means—one who deviates from what is normal.

    Of course, to those of you on the wrong, recognizing the plain, obvious truth, is “bigotry”. Really, that's the essential core of “Political Correctness”, to condemn truth as bigotry or some other similarly subversive form of thought, and on that basis, to condemn those who recognize or speak any truth that is thus deemed subversive.
    And it's the nature of conservatives to expect the government to make laws against whatever conservatives disapprove of. And let's not forget the people needed to enforce those laws. This is how conservatives champion less government interference- by advocating more laws, limits on personal liberties, more power for the authorities...
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, do you only support religious bigotry or do you, as you stated, support any form of bigotry against gays. Do you support bigotry against everyone or just gays?
    I reject your definition of bigotry. How's that? If I refused to serve Catholics, that would be religious bigotry. If a religious person choses to follow his faith, I'd say that's your problem evidently.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    And it's the nature of conservatives to expect the government to make laws against whatever conservatives disapprove of. And let's not forget the people needed to enforce those laws. This is how conservatives champion less government interference- by advocating more laws, limits on personal liberties, more power for the authorities...
    Which is why TRUE conservatives like Barry Goldwater argued in favor of smaller government and did not believe in impose huge government/big brother measures like the so-called "conservatives" of 2014.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    only from your point of view.
    No, from any point of view.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I reject your definition of bigotry. How's that? If I refused to serve Catholics, that would be religious bigotry. If a religious person choses to follow his faith, I'd say that's your problem evidently.
    So you're okay with all types of bigotry, whether against gays or blacks?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, from any point of view.

    here is your statement again:

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    No one is doing that. It is just a retarded talking point.
    No one??

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