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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post


    Which is exactly why you never rely on the “morals of the majority”! In the1800s it was owning slaves, in the 1900s it was kill the Jews, gays, morons and / or anyone who opposed Socialism / Communism. Today it’s killing babies in the womb (although they possess all the qualities of life).

    You believe that morality can be found within man.

    In can’t because man is a flawed moral creature as history so amply demonstrates.
    Funny how quickly arguments can appear to reverse when the situation changes. When national opinion was against ssm one of the frequent arguments used by those on the Right was "The majority is against same sex marriage." So the counter-argument was, naturally, along the lines of "Well, at one time it was acceptable to own slaves." So now national opinion favors ssm, and those in favor say, "See, now you can't use that argument anymore, the majority favors same sex marriage now." So those on the Right respond, "Well, at one time it was acceptable to own slaves."

    Entertaining stuff.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Funny how quickly arguments can appear to reverse when the situation changes. When national opinion was against ssm one of the frequent arguments used by those on the Right was "The majority is against same sex marriage." So the counter-argument was, naturally, along the lines of "Well, at one time it was acceptable to own slaves." So now national opinion favors ssm, and those in favor say, "See, now you can't use that argument anymore, the majority favors same sex marriage now." So those on the Right respond, "Well, at one time it was acceptable to own slaves."

    Entertaining stuff.
    You think I'm arguing for the "morals of the mojority"?
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    You think I'm arguing for the "morals of the mojority"?
    I think that this argument against gay marriage has made a 180 degree turn when it no longer worked for those opposed to ssm.

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think that this argument against gay marriage has made a 180 degree turn when it no longer worked for those opposed to ssm.
    You're dodging my question.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Which ones are examples of bigotry?

    Can someone please fix the spelling in the question? Thank you.
    I do not believe that one is bigoted who truly believes in an issue from a religious standpoint. Religion (particularly Christianity) requires a leap of faith- it is not necessary or possible to resolve differences of opinion on religion factually. Because it is based in faith, rather than fact.

    For example, if a "gay gene" was discovered- similar to a gene that determines hair color or some other trait that a person can not control, I would not expect a fundamentalist Christian to change their stance on homosexuality or gay marriage. These types of facts don't matter, because a person of fundamentalist Christian faith believes the Bible to be the infallible word of God, notwithstanding any secular facts to the contrary.

    You may believe what you believe. It is ok with me as a gay man. It is not bigoted, IMO. It is your firmly held belief.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    You're dodging my question.
    Two parter to that:

    1)The argument that the majority approves of ssm is specifically a rebuttal to the idea that an argument that states the majority is against ssm is legitimate. It was never argued in the beginning that a majority determined the rightness of same sex marriage. After all, why would those in favor of gay marriage argue that? They were in the minority at the time so it would be a stupid argument to make.
    2)Have you ever argued that the majority determines the rightness (or morality) of a belief or law?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Two parter to that:

    1)The argument that the majority approves of ssm is specifically a rebuttal to the idea that an argument that states the majority is against ssm is legitimate. It was never argued in the beginning that a majority determined the rightness of same sex marriage. After all, why would those in favor of gay marriage argue that? They were in the minority at the time so it would be a stupid argument to make.
    I donít care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    2)Have you ever argued that the majority determines the rightness (or morality) of a belief or law?
    No. Nazi Germany always sticks out in my mind as a majority that dictated away the rights of a minority.

    3) You still havenít answered my question.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
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    I don’t care.
    Well you should, because that's the specific reason why I or someone like Roguenuke would mention the majority favorability on gay marriage. (I'm being presumptuous for speaking for her, but I'm confident I'm on target here).

    No. Nazi Germany always sticks out in my mind as a majority that dictated away the rights of a minority.
    Then can you please explain the following post written by you in 2007?

    And when a court does rule in favor of gay marriage they will have created a precedent that courts in every other state will use to find for gay marriage. In the end, the will of the majority of Americans will be ignored.And when a court does rule in favor of gay marriage they will have created a precedent that courts in every other state will use to find for gay marriage. In the end, the will of the majority of Americans will be ignored.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...tml#post571480

    If you don't believe the majority determines the rightness of an idea, and if the majority dictating the rights of a minority is reminiscent of Nazi Germany, why would you mention the "majority of Americans" when you believed back in 2007 that said majority was against ssm?

    3) You still haven’t answered my question.
    I answered this in technicolor and you said you didn't care. I've fulfilled my part in this.
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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post


    I donít care.



    No. Nazi Germany always sticks out in my mind as a majority that dictated away the rights of a minority.

    3) You still havenít answered my question.
    Again in 2007:

    As far as I know, regardless of your religion everyone agrees that marriage is between one man and one woman. No laws have been established that favor one religion over another.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...tml#post578654

    And in 2009:

    ďAnd while I certainly respect your belief, I oppose it the very minute you attempt to impose it upon the rest of us.Ē Ė Singularity

    Make no mistake about it. In any society the beliefs--moral, secular, whatever--of the majority or those in power will dictate how the rest of society lives and functions.
    I happen to believe that the dictates of this country should be based upon the very Judeo-Christian ideals that this country was founded upon.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...post1058183390

    Again, when you believed that the majority of Americans sided against ssm, that seemed to be a pretty important fact for you. What changed between then and now?

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    Re: Is it bigotry when someone opposes SSM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Funny how quickly arguments can appear to reverse when the situation changes. When national opinion was against ssm one of the frequent arguments used by those on the Right was "The majority is against same sex marriage." So the counter-argument was, naturally, along the lines of "Well, at one time it was acceptable to own slaves." So now national opinion favors ssm, and those in favor say, "See, now you can't use that argument anymore, the majority favors same sex marriage now." So those on the Right respond, "Well, at one time it was acceptable to own slaves."

    Entertaining stuff.
    I was thinking this very same thing and i'm sure if anyone wanted to, they could dig up posts from Baron and others from a few years ago, attesting to "the will of the majority."

    I try to be consistent and say **** the majority even now that they're on the side of SSM. I want this resolved in the courts by an educated elite, not by joe the plumber

    edit: nvm i see you dug up a post already lol. Typical cowardly religious dissonance at work there huh. I'm sure he'll try to weasel out of it somehow
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