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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    The USofA does a spectacular job of fearmongering when it comes to "The Axis Of Evil".
    Media doesn't have to do much with Iranian crowds screaming death to America.

    I'd agree that many of the Iranian people don't share such extreme sentiments, but you make it sound like the media does all this on their own, which is laughable at best.

    BTW, no American fears North Korea or Iran. Recognizing a threat and fear are two different things.
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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So I am not going to watch a repackaged travel channel show on CNN.
    I think CNN has off-and-on tried to see itself as a world affairs, news, and investigative journalism channel. In that regard, Bourdain's programming fits really well. Lisa Ling and Mike Roe likewise compliment that. The thing is, the more news stations can become flexible yet intelligent like PBS the better it is for the audience.

    They aren't there yet, though. I'm not exactly expecting a documentary on, say, the inner workings of the IRS or the Forest Service bureaucracies without the need to start bringing out pitchforks or sit-in demonstrations yet. It's unfortunate 24 hour cable news networks haven't matured to that point, but they're getting closer and closer to being adults about information.

    My motto is: give them something they can't get anywhere else or as good anywhere else and don't bother catering to the Bravo crowd in the process. Make them smarter while making them feel at ease, and other times just straight up bore them so they can get smarter.
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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I think CNN has off-and-on tried to see itself as a world affairs, news, and investigative journalism channel. In that regard, Bourdain's programming fits really well. Lisa Ling and Mike Roe likewise compliment that. The thing is, the more news stations can become flexible yet intelligent like PBS the better it is for the audience.

    They aren't there yet, though. I'm not exactly expecting a documentary on, say, the inner workings of the IRS or the Forest Service bureaucracies without the need to start bringing out pitchforks or sit-in demonstrations yet. It's unfortunate 24 hour cable news networks haven't matured to that point, but they're getting closer and closer to being adults about information.

    My motto is: give them something they can't get anywhere else or as good anywhere else and don't bother catering to the Bravo crowd in the process. Make them smarter while making them feel at ease, and other times just straight up bore them so they can get smarter.
    But they can get it somewhere else, the travel channel.
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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Watching it now, and as expected, Bourdain is pretty balanced. He shows mostly the good side of things, because its a travel show, but also mentions the way women are treated, and how fascist the govt is. One interesting part he talks to an Iranian Washington Post reporter and his girlfriend about the situation, nothing too dramatic, and then mentions how they were arrested after the govt saw what they said.

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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Watching it now, and as expected, Bourdain is pretty balanced. He shows mostly the good side of things, because its a travel show, but also mentions the way women are treated, and how fascist the govt is. One interesting part he talks to an Iranian Washington Post reporter and his girlfriend about the situation, nothing too dramatic, and then mentions how they were arrested after the govt saw what they said.
    There's absolutely no doubt just how horrific the Iranian régime really is. It could be argued that it still enjoys widespread popular support too, although how anyone would go about measuring that support is anyone's guess. What seems equally self-evident to me is that a large proportion, large minority or actually a silent majority, do not want that régime, do not support it and are yearning for change, although there's also no evidence to suggest they hanker after a western-style 'liberal democracy'. What shows like this teach us is that you cannot talk about nations as homogenous, unified entities. Iran isn't the enemy of the West, although the Iranian régime certainly is.

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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Bourdain is on the short list of people I'd love to get stinking drunk with.


    My wife's cousin was married to an Iranian ex-pat and he and his friends in the ex-pat community always struck me as just regular guys trying to get through life like everyone else. Figured that was because they were probably Americanized to an extent. Apparently not.

    I loved the whole "if you want the best food you have to go to someone's home" and hospitality aspect of the show. There's something good to be said for a people that seem to welcome strangers in that way.

    And was I the only one who noticed how beautiful a lot of those women were?
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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's absolutely no doubt just how horrific the Iranian régime really is. It could be argued that it still enjoys widespread popular support too, although how anyone would go about measuring that support is anyone's guess. What seems equally self-evident to me is that a large proportion, large minority or actually a silent majority, do not want that régime, do not support it and are yearning for change, although there's also no evidence to suggest they hanker after a western-style 'liberal democracy'. What shows like this teach us is that you cannot talk about nations as homogenous, unified entities. Iran isn't the enemy of the West, although the Iranian régime certainly is.
    Some Iranians may not be, but the country certainly is. And it gets its power from taxing the people, and enlisting them in the military. And brainwashing them with religion. That some people are friendly doesnt really stop others from trying to kill americans.

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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Some Iranians may not be, but the country certainly is. And it gets its power from taxing the people, and enlisting them in the military. And brainwashing them with religion. That some people are friendly doesnt really stop others from trying to kill americans.
    I guess an Iranian poster could say exactly the same about the US, and they wouldn't be wrong. What's wrong is equating the actions and attitudes of a régime with the collective will of an entire nation.

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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I guess an Iranian poster could say exactly the same about the US, and they wouldn't be wrong. What's wrong is equating the actions and attitudes of a régime with the collective will of an entire nation.
    Its not wrong. That IS the generally prevailing attitude. The difference is that in the US, we fight to defend freedom. Iranians dont.

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    Re: Anthony Bourdain - Iran

    I like Anthony Bourdain, even though he's a big lefty.

    As far as Iran goes, I dont think any American believes that it is the Iranian citizens that we have an issue with.

    Their hospitality and friendliness doesn't negate the rhetoric and the Nuclear aspirations of the Theocrats who've vowed to drive Israel into the Sea.

    It doesn't negate the fact that Iran is a huge State sponsor of Terrorism.

    I'm sure Bourdain didn't touch on those issues.

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