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Is the West at war with Islam?[W:118]

Is the West at War with Islam?

  • Yes Mostly

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • Yes, kind of.

    Votes: 9 23.1%
  • No, kind of.

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • No Mostly

    Votes: 21 53.8%

  • Total voters
    39
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, I am not surprised because nothing mods do surprises me. They let the most insulting and racist comments go while nailing the innocuous stuff. You can persist in this nonsense that 'Islam is just a religion' all you want. There are millions of people in the world that would disagree with you, most of them Muslims.

Got any evidence of that?

BTW, what I said was insulting, but not racist.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, it was both. Racist and insulting - either of which ought to earn you points but probably won't.

Do I have any evidence that millions of muslims would disagree that Islam is more that just a religion? Yeah, all of those Muslims living in countries that are Islamic theocracies. We could start with Iran.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, it was both. Racist and insulting - either of which ought to earn you points but probably won't.

A black person saying 'nigga' is racist?

I don't blame you for being unhappy with the post, and I'd bet it will be dealt with, but I thought you should know that.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

I'm not sure A) he's black and B), even if he is why that should make a difference.

I'm hoping you are right that it will be dealt with, but who knows?
 
Does anyone agree that sharia patrols would not be tolerated in the United States? Or do you think we would let them fly?
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, we are not. Islam is a religion, you really can't go to war with a religion. It's like going to war against nouns.
Your posts are Obtuse PC Garbage.

What were the Crusades? A war between Nouns and Adverbs?


You a stupid nigga.

Islam is a religion. There are some people who take it into the political/social realm just like there are people in the US who take their religion deeply into then notice political/social realm. It doesn't change the fact that Islam is a religion.
There are elements of Sharia in just about Every Islamic country, and two Theocracies.
NOT so in the 'Christian' world.
Know what a Theocracy is?
Their very Existence refutes you.

Tell us all what would happen, to say, an Apostate or an Adulterer if fundamentalist Pat Robertson ran the USA/world?
Counseling, if anyone even noticed?
In much of the Islamic world perhaps Death by Stoning or Hanging for either, because it Islam IS a Religio-politicial system.

As always, Your posts are thoughtLess PC GARBAGE.
 
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Does anyone agree that sharia patrols would not be tolerated in the United States? Or do you think we would let them fly?
Assuming you are talking about some kind of semi-organized group or group going around forcing people to follow Sharia, I would say that...

No, in most places in the US I would expect some backlash, potentially of a violent nature.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Got any evidence of that?

BTW, what I said was insulting, but not racist.

How about you show evidence that it is 'only' a religion and just slam dunk his ass instead? That is what a good debater would do...
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

How about you show evidence that it is 'only' a religion and just slam dunk his ass instead? That is what a good debater would do...

Or he could provide evidence to back up his statement. That is was a good debater would do.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

What possible evidence supports your notion that Islam is just a religion? It's obvious to everybody, especially the Islamic thugs currently having their way in the Middle East, that Islam is a social and a political reality. Do you honestly believe the government in Iran is not Islamic - and their laws and social customs are not dictated by their religion? How's the weather on your planet?


As another poster so eloquently pointed out, your posts are 'thoughtless PC garbage'.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Or he could provide evidence to back up his statement. That is was a good debater would do.

Religious concepts and practices include the five pillars of Islam, which are basic concepts and obligatory acts of worship, and following Islamic law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, providing guidance on multifarious topics from banking and welfare, to family life and the environment

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam is more than just a religion. It permeates all aspects of a Muslim's life. How is that for a start?
 
This is an interesting question and I am curious to see a poll result. I am watching 60 minutes and some of the "Sharia" patrols are interesting to me. The protests and such in England and France. They are very foreign.

My personal view is that we are at war with Sharia law. Not really Islam. The West will NEVER accept Sharia law. It is not something that our culture will tolerate based on our development over the past few hundred years. So please share your views. I am interested.

I wouldn't call it "war" anymore than the ideological competition between Western liberalism and communism during the Cold War, but I think it is a kind of ideological challenge.

Except that communism or at least Marxist socialism was a post-enlightenment ideology that was much more attractive for quite a few people even in the West, than Islam/islamism is. Islamism is basically only attractive for people who already grew up in a Muslim environment (the few deranged fringe-nuts nonwithstanding), but will never be considered a viable ideological alternative among a huge majority of Westeners.

The newer forms of radical islamism has IMO many similarities to fascism/Nazism: It's not "orthodox" old Islam (much like Nazism was not 19th century German nationalism), but a new movement that combines new, modern means with a reactionary traditionalism. Both ideologies were a *reaction* on the rise of modernity, which went back behind the Age of Enlightenment and classical liberalism. Hopefully, islamism too is just a last rearguard action of an increasingly modernizing Muslim world.
 
To my knowledge, there has been no attack on North American soil carried out and sanctioned by an Islamic based government (obviously this is excluding isolated incidents of terrorism) so I don't see how we can be at war. Secondly, would you say the west is at war with the Middle East? Of course not, some countries we have tensions with and others we are actually allies with, and those allies have Islamic governments too. So to say the west is at war with Islam is just moronic.
 
This is an interesting question and I am curious to see a poll result. I am watching 60 minutes and some of the "Sharia" patrols are interesting to me. The protests and such in England and France. They are very foreign.

My personal view is that we are at war with Sharia law. Not really Islam. The West will NEVER accept Sharia law. It is not something that our culture will tolerate based on our development over the past few hundred years. So please share your views. I am interested.

First, why don't you make your polls public?

Second, we're not at war with Sharia law either. We have functional Sharia in the US. Devout Muslims are prohibited from entering into an agreement where interest is charged. They therefore then get a Sharia-Compliant loan where the bank buys the house and then the borrower pays it back in set payments. It's functionally the same, but it's not technically interest. And this is totally okay. We allow Rabbanical Law as long as it does not violate secular law. I don't see why we cannot make the same acceptance for Sharia in the US.

What the US is at war with is an ideology of religiously masked violence by a non-state actor.
 
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