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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    He repented.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Since when did ISIS represent a whole religion?
    I agree...some of the Islam religion are apparently intelligent enough to realize they're not living in the middle ages. But millions of them do not. Including the ones that destroyed downtown Manhattan with two airplanes.

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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    This gets posted every single year, and every single year you keep getting schooled on it to no avail. I guess, it's alright to attack Robert Byrd for being a KKK member, but the founding fathers, who actually owned and most likely beat slaves, are above reproach and should be treated with silk gloves.

    Sen. Byrd Apologizes for Racial Epithet - ABC News

    Seconds before being asked about race relations, Byrd mentioned his membership in the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s. He was reacting to the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who recently admitted fathering a child with an employee of his nonprofit organization.

    "He made a bad mistake," Byrd said. "We all make mistakes. I made a mistake when I was a young man. It's always been an albatross around my neck, joining the Ku Klux Klan."
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    What about Byrd?


    But Byrd, unlike Thurmond, renounced his youthful participation in a racist cause. See, for example, this exchange with CNN's Bernard Shaw in Dec. 1993:

    Q: What has been your biggest mistake and your biggest success?

    A: Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

    Contrast that with an interview Thurmond gave Joseph Stroud of the Charlotte Observer in July 1998 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of his presidential bid on the segregationist Dixiecrat ticket. Asked if he wanted to apologize, Thurmond said, "I don't have anything to apologize for," and "I don't have any regrets." Asked if he thought the Dixiecrats were right, Thurmond said, "Yes, I do." Thurmond said this four years ago!
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This gets posted every single year, and every single year you keep getting schooled on it to no avail. I guess, it's alright to attack Robert Byrd for being a KKK member, but the founding fathers, who actually owned and most likely beat slaves, are above reproach and should be treated with silk gloves.

    Sen. Byrd Apologizes for Racial Epithet - ABC News
    No, but their ideas should be. Just because they didn't live up to them perfectly doesn't mean their ideas were bad. Without those ideas put into play, black history may have played out differently..................TO NAME ONLY ONE ASPECT of America's development for your consideration.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, but their ideas should be.
    You mean like slavery? I agree. We should applaud them for institutionalizing it.

    Just because they didn't live up to them perfectly doesn't mean their ideas were bad. Without those ideas put into play, black history may have played out differently..................TO NAME ONLY ONE ASPECT of America's development for your consideration.
    Lmao, they didn't live up to them perfectly? Ummmm American, you do realize that when they wrote "We the people", they didn't include women, black people, homeless people or pretty much anyone who wasn't white, male and a land owner yes? Hell, their ideas and restrictive definitions are the reason most of the civil rights struggles of the last 200 years have taken place. Women, black people, poor whites have all at one point or another stood up against the standardized understanding of the constitution provided by white protestant males. They've actually expanded what was originally intended by the document. That alone should give you a clue as to the type of people they were. Remember, suffrage didn't come as a result of women using the constitution in their favor but adding unto it what the FFs would have definitely opposed. With that said, your attack on Robert Byrd who publicly renounced his views and chummy attitude towards the Founders who through their actions caused wars, political instability and general discontent for 2 centuries is laughable if not hypocritical.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This gets posted every single year, and every single year you keep getting schooled on it to no avail. I guess, it's alright to attack Robert Byrd for being a KKK member, but the founding fathers, who actually owned and most likely beat slaves, are above reproach and should be treated with silk gloves.

    Sen. Byrd Apologizes for Racial Epithet - ABC News
    Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd, Ex-Klansman - Capitalism Magazine

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan

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    -- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.

    "I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities."
    -- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

    No doubt he regretted his membership, which he apparently ended in 1943; but still filibustered passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. What a hero.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean like slavery? I agree. We should applaud them for institutionalizing it.



    Lmao, they didn't live up to them perfectly? Ummmm American, you do realize that when they wrote "We the people", they didn't include women, black people, homeless people or pretty much anyone who wasn't white, male and a land owner yes? Hell, their ideas and restrictive definitions are the reason most of the civil rights struggles of the last 200 years have taken place. Women, black people, poor whites have all at one point or another stood up against the standardized understanding of the constitution provided by white protestant males. They've actually expanded what was originally intended by the document. That alone should give you a clue as to the type of people they were. Remember, suffrage didn't come as a result of women using the constitution in their favor but adding unto it what the FFs would have definitely opposed. With that said, your attack on Robert Byrd who publicly renounced his views and chummy attitude towards the Founders who through their actions caused wars, political instability and general discontent for 2 centuries is laughable if not hypocritical.
    I guess you'd rather the States never formed a union.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Be concerned about Washington launch a real law are not mutually exclusive event. You are more than capable of being concerned about both. And I do get that you would be more concerned about a law that directly affects you. But the topic of the thread is not Washington law.

    Really my thing is that we should be very leery of sharia law and those who practice. It is fundamentally against that which we believe in Western society. And seeing it expand to somewhere like London, The capital of eight Western democratic nation, that should be at the very least a little disturbing. (Talking specifically about sharia patrol).

    What comes to mind to me is the old adage what you tolerate today you accept tomorrow. Sometimes that is good, but other times you should consider that being tolerant of things because of the cultural relativity movement they get you more than you are willing to agree with.
    You don't seem to understand. I am not worried about who practices Sharia Law or where they do it as long as it is not here. Let the UK deal with it there if they wish, if they do not wish to do so, then it is on them.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Are we are war with Christianity? After-all many Christian nut job groups (like the KKK) uphold extremist believes...
    A ludicrous analogy. You really need to come up with something better.
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