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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't think we are at war with Islam. However, while most religions can be dangerous and violent if taken to their fundamentalist extremes, no modern religion is as bad as Islam. Just look at the polls taken among Muslims on various beliefs like death for apostates and sharia law, and you will find that a majority of practicing Muslims hold far more radical views than anything even approaching a majority of any other major religion.
    Very well stated. I think Islam is in need of a "reformation" if you will. Christianity was brutal, and it took the formation of Protestantism and several centuries to finally calm down.

    I actually think reading about the Vikings helped me understand Islam. The cultures around Norse mythology/paganism and Islam grew in a harsh environment. And while it may not excuse the violence, it certainly explains it.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    No they preferred to drag people out and hang them in front of their families. They also had a tendency to burn people alive, and drag them to death behind horses and later cars….
    No but how much influence do they have right now? Modern America wouldn't tolerate them doing anything more than a rally. And even then we only let that happen because of our constitution.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    No they preferred to drag people out and hang them in front of their families. They also had a tendency to burn people alive, and drag them to death behind horses and later cars….
    When did they do that?
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Is lynching somehow better than beheading?
    Have they been lynching people?
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Would you even be remotely accepted in sharia law nations?
    Sharia Law is not threatening Europe or North and South America in any form. ISIS might, AQ has, terrorist etc. If Iran or another country wants to abide by it, what business is it of ours? Let each country, the people of each country choose what ever form of government that they deem best for them.

    I live in Georgia, I do not feel threaten by Sharia Law nor is it being forced upon me. Now other types of laws are and those laws come from Washington. I am more in fear of those laws than any Sharia Law some other person in some far away country has to abide by. It does not effect me one iota.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sharia Law is not threatening Europe or North and South America in any form. ISIS might, AQ has, terrorist etc. If Iran or another country wants to abide by it, what business is it of ours? Let each country, the people of each country choose what ever form of government that they deem best for them.

    I live in Georgia, I do not feel threaten by Sharia Law nor is it being forced upon me. Now other types of laws are and those laws come from Washington. I am more in fear of those laws than any Sharia Law some other person in some far away country has to abide by. It does not effect me one iota.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/anti-g...sharia-patrol/

    Have you been watching the news? It seems that there is a call to spread this stuff. Do you think it jives with our western world? The patrols?
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    This is an interesting question and I am curious to see a poll result. I am watching 60 minutes and some of the "Sharia" patrols are interesting to me. The protests and such in England and France. They are very foreign.

    My personal view is that we are at war with Sharia law. Not really Islam. The West will NEVER accept Sharia law. It is not something that our culture will tolerate based on our development over the past few hundred years. So please share your views. I am interested.
    Not sure the question/poll is phrased the right way. If anything, Western ideologies are in competition with ideologies more prevalent in nations where Islam is dominant. In that context, it matches with history as those ideologies have always been in competition with plenty of war along the way. I've often said that the aptitude of the people in those nations where Islam is dominant are incompatible with more western social and governmental thinking. It seems to be true throughout history, and is still true today.

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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Very well stated. I think Islam is in need of a "reformation" if you will. Christianity was brutal, and it took the formation of Protestantism and several centuries to finally calm down.

    I actually think reading about the Vikings helped me understand Islam. The cultures around Norse mythology/paganism and Islam grew in a harsh environment. And while it may not excuse the violence, it certainly explains it.
    Islam already had a reformation. But of course being the violent religion it is it wasn't really a reformation so much as a civil war. It led to the creation of the two serparate groups, Shia and Sunni, the Shia being hyper-militant people who feel that they must jihad against anything not their own while the sunnis originally believed that the leader of an Islamic country shouldn't be a religious leader. The sunnis still believe that but in addition to that the militancy of the Shia have rubbed off on them recently.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Not sure the question/poll is phrased the right way. If anything, Western ideologies are in competition with ideologies more prevalent in nations where Islam is dominant. In that context, it matches with history as those ideologies have always been in competition with plenty of war along the way. I've often said that the aptitude of the people in those nations where Islam is dominant are incompatible with more western social and governmental thinking. It seems to be true throughout history, and is still true today.
    The question is right. I am trying to highlight, or at least am hoping too, that we are not at war with Islam. But we are not at peace with it either. It is Islam that is in need of change. I mean actively killing Muslims by Isis? Really any radical group. The west will not peacefully coexist with Islam until Islam changes. That is my view anyway.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Anti-gay, anti-alcohol: London's "Sharia patrol" - Videos - CBS News

    Have you been watching the news? It seems that there is a call to spread this stuff. Do you think it jives with our western world? The patrols?
    Seems like Britain may have a problem in a London suburb. If Britain has the will they can deal with it if they want and have the will. If they think the patrol has gone too far and if they are not citizens of the UK, they can deport them. There are also other ways.

    But I am still more worried about Washington Laws than Sharia Law.
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