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Is the West at war with Islam?[W:118]

Is the West at War with Islam?

  • Yes Mostly

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • Yes, kind of.

    Votes: 9 23.1%
  • No, kind of.

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • No Mostly

    Votes: 21 53.8%

  • Total voters
    39
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, but their ideas should be.

You mean like slavery? I agree. We should applaud them for institutionalizing it.

Just because they didn't live up to them perfectly doesn't mean their ideas were bad. Without those ideas put into play, black history may have played out differently..................TO NAME ONLY ONE ASPECT of America's development for your consideration.

Lmao, they didn't live up to them perfectly? Ummmm American, you do realize that when they wrote "We the people", they didn't include women, black people, homeless people or pretty much anyone who wasn't white, male and a land owner yes? Hell, their ideas and restrictive definitions are the reason most of the civil rights struggles of the last 200 years have taken place. Women, black people, poor whites have all at one point or another stood up against the standardized understanding of the constitution provided by white protestant males. They've actually expanded what was originally intended by the document. That alone should give you a clue as to the type of people they were. Remember, suffrage didn't come as a result of women using the constitution in their favor but adding unto it what the FFs would have definitely opposed. With that said, your attack on Robert Byrd who publicly renounced his views and chummy attitude towards the Founders who through their actions caused wars, political instability and general discontent for 2 centuries is laughable if not hypocritical.
 
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This gets posted every single year, and every single year you keep getting schooled on it to no avail. I guess, it's alright to attack Robert Byrd for being a KKK member, but the founding fathers, who actually owned and most likely beat slaves, are above reproach and should be treated with silk gloves.

Sen. Byrd Apologizes for Racial Epithet - ABC News

Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd, Ex-Klansman - Capitalism Magazine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan

"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.

"I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities."

-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

No doubt he regretted his membership, which he apparently ended in 1943; but still filibustered passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. What a hero. :roll:
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

You mean like slavery? I agree. We should applaud them for institutionalizing it.



Lmao, they didn't live up to them perfectly? Ummmm American, you do realize that when they wrote "We the people", they didn't include women, black people, homeless people or pretty much anyone who wasn't white, male and a land owner yes? Hell, their ideas and restrictive definitions are the reason most of the civil rights struggles of the last 200 years have taken place. Women, black people, poor whites have all at one point or another stood up against the standardized understanding of the constitution provided by white protestant males. They've actually expanded what was originally intended by the document. That alone should give you a clue as to the type of people they were. Remember, suffrage didn't come as a result of women using the constitution in their favor but adding unto it what the FFs would have definitely opposed. With that said, your attack on Robert Byrd who publicly renounced his views and chummy attitude towards the Founders who through their actions caused wars, political instability and general discontent for 2 centuries is laughable if not hypocritical.

I guess you'd rather the States never formed a union.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Be concerned about Washington launch a real law are not mutually exclusive event. You are more than capable of being concerned about both. And I do get that you would be more concerned about a law that directly affects you. But the topic of the thread is not Washington law.

Really my thing is that we should be very leery of sharia law and those who practice. It is fundamentally against that which we believe in Western society. And seeing it expand to somewhere like London, The capital of eight Western democratic nation, that should be at the very least a little disturbing. (Talking specifically about sharia patrol).

What comes to mind to me is the old adage what you tolerate today you accept tomorrow. Sometimes that is good, but other times you should consider that being tolerant of things because of the cultural relativity movement they get you more than you are willing to agree with.

You don't seem to understand. I am not worried about who practices Sharia Law or where they do it as long as it is not here. Let the UK deal with it there if they wish, if they do not wish to do so, then it is on them.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Are we are war with Christianity? After-all many Christian nut job groups (like the KKK) uphold extremist believes...

A ludicrous analogy. You really need to come up with something better.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd, Ex-Klansman - Capitalism Magazine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan

Byrd
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.



-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

No doubt he regretted his membership, which he apparently ended in 1943; but still filibustered passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. What a hero. :roll:

Byrd is a hero to no one, except perhaps the Far Right - who trot him out every time right wing racism is mentioned. Southern conservative Democrats of his era are exactly the same scum as right wing racist Republicans. The only difference is the southern conservative scum were more honest about their racism.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

I guess you'd rather the States never formed a union.

--------------- My point.












------------------ Your head.

Keep playing purposely obtuse. ;)
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, we are not. Islam is a religion, you really can't go to war with a religion. It's like going to war against nouns.

Islam is more than a religion. It is a political movement and a social movement that is unmatched by any other religion. To describe it simply as 'a religion' is naïve.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd, Ex-Klansman - Capitalism Magazine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan



-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.



-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

No doubt he regretted his membership, which he apparently ended in 1943; but still filibustered passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. What a hero. :roll:

You do realize my link is from 2001 and your statements are from him while he was still believed in a segregated America? Your articles do absolutely nothing to distort the fact that he did apologize for his actions. Tough nut. :shrug:
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Byrd is a hero to no one, except perhaps the Far Right - who trot him out every time right wing racism is mentioned. Southern conservative Democrats of his era are exactly the same scum as right wing racist Republicans. The only difference is the southern conservative scum were more honest about their racism.

“I mean you’ve got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking guy.”
- Biden

Northern libs appear to be honest as well.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

You do realize my link is from 2001 and your statements are from him while he was still believed in a segregated America? Your articles do absolutely nothing to distort the fact that he did apologize for his actions. Tough nut. :shrug:

Yes, and he was talking about his involvement in the KKK, but 20 years after that he was against civil rights. You want to ignore that, go ahead; and you probably already have.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Byrd is a hero to no one, except perhaps the Far Right - who trot him out every time right wing racism is mentioned. Southern conservative Democrats of his era are exactly the same scum as right wing racist Republicans. The only difference is the southern conservative scum were more honest about their racism.

You democrats let that old son of a bitch sit in the US Senate for 40 years after his KKK days and then he comes up with that "white niggers" **** on national TV and it's perfectly OK with you people? You are ridiculous.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

You democrats let that old son of a bitch sit in the US Senate for 40 years after his KKK days and then he comes up with that "white niggers" **** on national TV and it's perfectly OK with you people? You are ridiculous.

There was a Supreme Court justice with KKK affiliations.

His name was Hugo black
 
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You do realize my link is from 2001 and your statements are from him while he was still believed in a segregated America? Your articles do absolutely nothing to distort the fact that he did apologize for his actions. Tough nut. :shrug:

Yes sir...the SOB was thinking about standing in front of GOD, his maker, and decided he better apologize before it happened. Lots of sincerity right there.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

There was a Supreme Court justice with KKK affiliations.

His name was Hugo black

And obviously had the approval of our U.S. Congress...eh?

He was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, with outrage ensuing over Black's former membership with the Ku Klux Klan. Black served on the court for 34 years, known for his ardent support of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. (I guess with the exception of black America)
He died on September 25, 1971.
Hugo Black - Biography - Lawyer, Supreme Court Justice, US
 
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You democrats let that old son of a bitch sit in the US Senate for 40 years after his KKK days and then he comes up with that "white niggers" **** on national TV and it's perfectly OK with you people? You are ridiculous.

Well, since I'm not a voter in West Virginia (which may be the reddest state in America), nor are most of the rest of the Democrats in this country, I'm not sure how we 'let that old son of a bitch sit in the US Senate for 40 years. Perhaps you can explain that one to me.

Of course you Republicans let Strom Thurmond sit in the Senate for just as long, didn't you? At least Byrd apologized for his actions. Thurmond, good Republican that he was, was just as big a racist the day he died as he was when he was campaigning for President as a Dixiecrat against integrating the armed forces and a Federal Lynch law. One of your heroes?
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Yes, and he was talking about his involvement in the KKK, but 20 years after that he was against civil rights. You want to ignore that, go ahead; and you probably already have.

So was the hero to the American Right, Ronald Reagan.

Reagan, the South and Civil Rights : NPR

Just one of many, many links
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Islam is more than a religion. It is a political movement and a social movement that is unmatched by any other religion. To describe it simply as 'a religion' is naïve.

You a stupid nigga.

Islam is a religion. There are some people who take it into the political/social realm just like there are people in the US who take their religion deeply into the political/social realm. It doesn't change the fact that Islam is a religion.
 
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The KKK is just like the Islamic religion...a HATE organization. And there are maybe 10,000 KKKers world wide, versus 10,000,000 or more Islamic extremist. Dumb comparison.

For some perspective: There are roughly two billion Muslims worldwide. Those 10 million extremists (I don't know if that is a valid number, but I'll assume it is for now) are .5% of all Muslims.
 
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Well, since I'm not a voter in West Virginia (which may be the reddest state in America), nor are most of the rest of the Democrats in this country, I'm not sure how we 'let that old son of a bitch sit in the US Senate for 40 years. Perhaps you can explain that one to me.

Of course you Republicans let Strom Thurmond sit in the Senate for just as long, didn't you? At least Byrd apologized for his actions. Thurmond, good Republican that he was, was just as big a racist the day he died as he was when he was campaigning for President as a Dixiecrat against integrating the armed forces and a Federal Lynch law. One of your heroes?

The reddest state in America that kept electing old democrat and KKKer Robert Byrd, for make that 52 years.

Entry Into Politics

His allegiance to the KKK, however, did help push Byrd into the political arena. Encouraged by the grand dragon of his KKK branch, Byrd ran on the Democratic ticket for West Virginia's House of Delegates in 1946. During his campaign, Byrd carried his fiddle in his briefcase and played at each stop on his speaking tour. His skill with the instrument helped to get people's attention on the stump, and had a hand in helping him win the election. From that point forward, Byrd would never lose an election. After his re-election to the House of Delegates in 1948, Byrd campaigned, and won, a spot on the State Senate. Two years later, he would win a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Self-educated and well read, Byrd became known for his encyclopedic knowledge of parliamentary procedure, which allowed him to outmaneuvering Republicans with his mastery of the Senate's arcane rules. But he still didn't have a college degree. After winning his seat in the House of Representatives for a second time in 1952, the politician managed to enroll in night courses for law school, despite lacking a bachelor's degree. He was still attending school in 1958, when he defeated the Republican incumbent, W. Chapman Rivercomb, for a spot in the U.S. Senate.


Strom Thurmond....the DEMOCRAT who had a black daughter by his father's 16 year old family maid. Who later joined the Republican Party, the party of Abe Lincoln and the drivers of the Civil Rights act of 1956....totally opposed by the DEMOCRATS until Lyndon Johnson discovered a way to BUY their VOTES in 1964.

Strom Thurmond
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

For some perspective: There are roughly two billion Muslims worldwide. Those 10 million extremists (I don't know if that is a valid number, but I'll assume it is for now) are .5% of all Muslims.

The key words in my post being 10,000,000 OR MORE. Who the hell can tell? It's a damn sight more than current KKK people who no longer lynch black people.
 
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You a stupid nigga.

Islam is a religion. There are some people who take it into the political/social realm just like there are people in the US who take their religion deeply into the political/social realm. It doesn't change the fact that Islam is a religion.

Actually he's right on this. Mohammed didn't just found a faith, he founded an Empire and the Government that ruled it.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

You mean like slavery? I agree. We should applaud them for institutionalizing it.

Well, then, to bring it back to the OP:

Sex Slavery in Islam

... Sadly, I think the reason the West remains content to stay mum is, as I’ve argued before, that this practice of sexual slavery is undeniably rooted in Islamic scripture; it thus refutes the smiley-face version of Islam peddled by Western governments and commentators.

At the very beginning of the clip translated by Jenan Moussa, one of the jihadists observes,

Today is the slave market day where this verse … “Except with their wives and the (captives) who their right hands possess . . . . Today is distribution day, Allah willing.” [Emphasis added.]

Patently, the jihadist is referring to a “verse” in the Koran. In fact, it could be one of at least two verses, sura 4:24 or sura 33:50.

I use the widely distributed, copiously annotated version of the Koran – in the original Arabic with English translations – published by the Saudi government. In sura 4:23, the verse just before 4:24, Allah outlines the various categories of women (mothers, daughters, sisters, etc.) with whom Muslim men are forbidden to have sexual relations. Sura 4:24 then states: “Also (prohibited are) women already married except those whom your right hands possess” (emphasis added). There is a footnote at that point, which helpfully explains “Whom your right hands possess: i.e., captives” (italics in original.)

Sura 4:24 extends to all Muslim men the license given to jihad warriors in sura 33:50:

Lmao, they didn't live up to them perfectly? Ummmm American, you do realize that when they wrote "We the people", they didn't include women, black people, homeless people or pretty much anyone who wasn't white, male and a land owner yes?

The reason he doesn't realize that may be because it lacks what Kissinger used to call "the added value of being true." It's one of those easy things we teach schoolchildren that happens to be wrong.
 
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And obviously had the approval of our U.S. Congress...eh?

He was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, with outrage ensuing over Black's former membership with the Ku Klux Klan. Black served on the court for 34 years, known for his ardent support of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. (I guess with the exception of black America) (emphasis added- USV)
He died on September 25, 1971.
Hugo Black - Biography - Lawyer, Supreme Court Justice, US
No, not with the exception of black America, and you know, it would not
have been all that difficult for you to have learned that by quickly browsing
any of the innumerable bios available on the net.
 
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