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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    No, not with the exception of black America, and you know, it would not
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    Why don't you enlighten us Mr. Viking? Or at least provide a link to what in the holy hell you reference.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually he's right on this. Mohammed didn't just found a faith, he founded an Empire and the Government that ruled it.
    Theocracy is different. Islam is not a political/social movement. There are tons of Muslims who just see their religion as exactly that- a religion.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    It's not that simple...

    I think there is a cultural clash between what you might term "western" values - many of them christian in origin, but not all, and many which were have been co-opted by secular or other religions at this point - And some forms of the Muslim faith. Mostly if not entirely the more radical ones, I believe.


    Because of this, more specifically because some persons who believe in a certain path for humanity are willing to initiate armed conflict to forward that path...

    We have war.

    Or at least I think that's part of it...
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The problem being that obedience to that religion also requires the imposition of it on others. You aren't really given a choice on dhimmitude.
    This is true that it is a problem that needs to be dealt with. Imposition is directly at odds with values of freedom. The sooner they learn that imposition will not work ever the better. They should try tolerating freedom to decide instead of imposing theirs and expecting you to respect them!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We aren't "At War with Islam". However, pretending that Islamists have somehow perverted Islam is equally untrue - theirs is a legitimate brand of Islam, if some of their actions are difficult to justify within the case history.
    Elaborate, and explain the word "dhimmitude" while at it. The dictionary does not provides solutions:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dhimmitude?s=ts
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    This is true that it is a problem that needs to be dealt with. Imposition is directly at odds with values of freedom. The sooner they learn that imposition will not work ever the better. They should try tolerating freedom to decide instead of imposing theirs and expecting you to respect them!
    Sadly, it would be a violation of the tenets of their religion to do so.

    Elaborate, and explain the word "dhimmitude" while at it. The dictionary does not provides solutions:
    It means the second class citizenship of non-Muslims, who deserve rule to be forced on them by Muslims, of Muslims.

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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    This is an interesting question and I am curious to see a poll result. I am watching 60 minutes and some of the "Sharia" patrols are interesting to me. The protests and such in England and France. They are very foreign.

    My personal view is that we are at war with Sharia law. Not really Islam. The West will NEVER accept Sharia law. It is not something that our culture will tolerate based on our development over the past few hundred years. So please share your views. I am interested.
    Of course, there are dumbdumbs that feel to be at war with Islam and may even be considered aggressively so. But, if someone knows anything about Islam, they cannot really be more at war with it than with Christianity or Hinduism. There are nuts that do stupid criminal stuff or use Islam as a ruse to justify their fling at conquest or enmity of some ruling house or an other. But that is nothing to do with Islam. So we are not at war with it or its religious. Only with some fanatics, criminals or war lords.

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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Theocracy is different. Islam is not a political/social movement. There are tons of Muslims who just see their religion as exactly that- a religion.
    there are "Christians" who don't think that Christ dying on the cross was necessary. Islam is indeed a social and especially a political movement. It is holistic. There is no natural church-state division like you get in "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    there are "Christians" who don't think that Christ dying on the cross was necessary. Islam is indeed a social and especially a political movement. It is holistic. There is no natural church-state division like you get in "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".
    Like I said, there are people who take their Christianity into the political and social sphere as well.
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course, there are dumbdumbs that feel to be at war with Islam and may even be considered aggressively so. But, if someone knows anything about Islam, they cannot really be more at war with it than with Christianity or Hinduism. There are nuts that do stupid criminal stuff or use Islam as a ruse to justify their fling at conquest or enmity of some ruling house or an other. But that is nothing to do with Islam. So we are not at war with it or its religious. Only with some fanatics, criminals or war lords.
    What about sharia law?
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    Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    Why don't you enlighten us Mr. Viking? Or at least provide a link to what in the holy hell you reference.
    Wiki's bio will do fine.

    Read it and you will see that Black was part of the epochal 1954 Brown decision. More tellingly Black with CJ Justice Douglas alone initially insisted upon the 1968 Alexander "desegregate now" order, eventually carrying the day against all the other justices, including the Chief.

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